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I like my #@-bit processor.
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I like my #@-bit processor. If you like it, why are you swearing at it? (ha ha only joking). What? There's no capital 3?
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Being an IT geek, I always keep to the latest version of Windows. I'm on Win 8.1 64-bit and have no issues at all with BIAB or my other software. My only limitation is that my old GadgetLabs 1/4" 8in x 8out sound card drivers don't work by default (They went out of business over 10 years ago). I run Win 8.1 in Test Mode to make it work and no issues so far.
Back on topic... I mostly start in RB if I have a good idea of what I'm starting with. Like the others, I'll start with BIAB if I'm starting from scratch.
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My concern is that PG Music will also, at some point, feel the need to go 64 bit totally and stop making BB/RB compatible with the older 32 bit OS platforms.... when that happens.....??
And when that happens, PG Music will lose my Annual update money. One lost Customer. My BIAB20xx will then remain in my machine, frozern in time as will my XP. Would be interesting if this thread garnered some kind of response from PG direct Ian
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My concern is that PG Music will also, at some point, feel the need to go 64 bit totally and stop making BB/RB compatible with the older 32 bit OS platforms.... when that happens.....??
And when that happens, PG Music will lose my Annual update money. One lost Customer. My BIAB20xx will then remain in my machine, frozern in time as will my XP. Would be interesting if this thread garnered some kind of response from PG direct Ian I doubt PGMusic will abandon 32 bit anytime soon. Every DAW that I know about comes in both 32 and 64 bit versions. I’m sure PGMusic will do the same IF they do indeed expand to 64 bit.
Life is short so make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers.
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And when that happens, PG Music will lose my Annual update money.
One lost Customer.
My BIAB20xx will then remain in my machine, frozern in time as will my XP.
Huh? Not to offend but that's like a guy in the 80's saying he's gonna wear his mullet forever. Sooner or later it becomes cost prohibitive for software companies to support obsolete platforms. We're fortunate that PG hasn't already gone that route as I would say a lot of software companies out there are producing 64-bit-only software. Agreed on Mario's comment.
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A songfile made on the first release of Band in a Box will load and play in BB2014.
That's back-compat above and beyond a lot of other softwares, so I don't think this particular red herring'll float.
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And when that happens, PG Music will lose my Annual update money.
One lost Customer.
My BIAB20xx will then remain in my machine, frozern in time as will my XP.
Huh? Not to offend but that's like a guy in the 80's saying he's gonna wear his mullet forever. Sooner or later it becomes cost prohibitive for software companies to support obsolete platforms. We're fortunate that PG hasn't already gone that route as I would say a lot of software companies out there are producing 64-bit-only software. Agreed on Mario's comment. Most Software Development Platforms have a "build option" to produce 64 or 32 bit output applications. I feel that the RAD tool that BiaB and RB uses is no different. So delivering a combination of 64 and 32 outputs is not a big deal. Everyone would be happy.
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32 bit will stick around longer than XP. Many W7 machines run 32 bit, especially in office type environments where the load isn't too bad.
Heck, one of my programming machines at work is 32 bit.
It is rare to find software that will not adapt to 32 bit in some way.
Ever notice that Programs (X86) folder? Take a look inside; it's full of programs that were designed for 32 bit systems.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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I'm guessing when that happens..... 64 bit or nothing..... I will remain frozen in time at that point....
I'm actually kinda there now with regards to many of the new plugs and toys coming out....
As I said before, as long as this 32 bit OS keeps working.... more realistically, I should say, as long as I can keep this COMPUTER working, I will be on this OS & platform.
Hard drives can be replaced, power supplies can be replaced, software can be reinstalled and re-authorized..... so likely, I will remain with this system and the only updates will be to BB/RB as I feel the need to "keep current" with the latest cool offerings.
I joke that "if and when" I do finally bite the bullet and upgrade, the current OS from Microsloth at that time will likely be the newest version of Windows 24 @ 128 bits.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I have Studio one v2 on my desktop and laptop, on the Win 7 lappy I have both 32 and 64 bit installed. Right now i use the 32 bit mostly. I imagine 64 bit for PG will come, and really should for those that want to keep up on the latest and greatest. for what BiaB, and RB does for me, it is perfect as it is, with only a couple gripes, but i am sure those are in the works eventually. Neat stuff i wish i had more time to really use them, life gets so busy at times. But hey that's good too!
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And when that happens, PG Music will lose my Annual update money.
One lost Customer.
My BIAB20xx will then remain in my machine, frozern in time as will my XP.
Huh? Not to offend but that's like a guy in the 80's saying he's gonna wear his mullet forever. Sooner or later it becomes cost prohibitive for software companies to support obsolete platforms. We're fortunate that PG hasn't already gone that route as I would say a lot of software companies out there are producing 64-bit-only software. Agreed on Mario's comment. Sorry sslechta, but not everyone is so flush with money that they can throw away good stuff simply because the next new thing has come along, again and again and again. AND - whats wrong with my mullet??!!  Ian
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Got it Sixchannel, although I only paid $40 for Windows 8. It was heavily discounted for early adopters for the upgrade from Win7. P.S. - I think I had my mullet until about '92. 
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WHY do we need BIAB at all if everything can be done in RB that can be done in BIAB?
Ian well, the simple answer that nobody has mentioned is that RB can't do everything that BIAB can do. BIAB has been around longer and simply has more features. But, as RB progressed, it certainly has added most of the key features of BIAB, and IMO it has already reached the point where everything I typically do to a project can be done from start to finish in Realband. Some key Things RB can do that BIAB can't: have more than 7 tracks increase midi resolution use multiple MIDI ports Things RB can do that other DAWS can't do: continue to add generated MIDI or real tracks continue using PGMusic magic for a longer part of the song creation cycle common work flow: 1) use BIAB to rapidly solidify an idea 2) use RB to add additional tracks from styles or RTs, and to surgically arrange everything where you want it 3) if your typical mixing doesn't require a bunch of resource hog plugs, make it easy on yourself and finish the project in RB 4) if you mix with multiple resource hogs like Session Horns, BFD3, Amplitube, and other sound libraries, then you almost need to move the project to a 64 bit DAW in order to use them all at the same time and really hear the unified mix.
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This subject also depends upon what a particular user's wants and needs happen to be.
For example, those of us who love to play jazz and love improvising like Band in a Box better for the simple reason that, if a songfile is left unfrozen, each time it is loaded or regenerated creates a slightly different performance.
This is more in line with what a good jazz combo brings to the performance. And it simply adds to the fun of interpretation and improvisation, having to react to those subtle little accompaniment differences in realtime.
Also a super practice aid in that respect.
One thing I've noticed over the years on these forums is that perhaps far too many forum members tend to view these marvelous programs ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO DO - with an attitude that what anybody else may be doing is irrelevant.
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One thing I've noticed over the years on these forums is that perhaps far too many forum members tend to view these marvelous programs ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO DO - with an attitude that what anybody else may be doing is irrelevant. I wouldn't go so far as to say that when people describe their experience it necessarily presumes any judgement about how other people use it... I am reminded of the old parable about several blind men trying to come to an understanding of what an elephant must look like. The blind man standing at the elephants head feels the trunk and reports that an elephant is like a snake. The man at the ears reports that an elephant is like a large sheet of leather The man at the side reports that an elephant is much like a boulder The man at the legs reports that the elephant resembles 4 trees grouped together etc etc Each of their reports is accurate, but you wouldn't get the big picture until you assembled all of the information into one image of an elephant. The forum does the same thing... it provides a collection of many views and experiences, none of which minimizes the other, but all of which contribute to additional understanding of the topic.
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Except for all the posts I've read over the years where someone just has to tell us what they think is "useless" or whatever about the features that they don't think we need, Pat.
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Except for all the posts I've read over the years where someone just has to tell us what they think is "useless" or whatever about the features that they don't think we need, Pat.
--Mac good point... I hadn't considered that
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WHY do we need BIAB at all if everything can be done in RB that can be done in BIAB?
Ian well, the simple answer that nobody has mentioned is that RB can't do everything that BIAB can do. Bingo..... while no one specifically mentioned that, you can see it was touched on in a few of the early replies in this thread. Simply put, they are 2 separate and unique programs, designed to work together, but each one has unique talents and abilities that the other does not. Each one serves a special role in the song creation process. Drop either one from the equation and the magic that we all know, love, and use, is gone.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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