|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,129
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,129 |
I thought our many songwriters and musicians would be interested in this article. Wouldn't it be nice if the people that created the products actually made a fair percentage of the money. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/busine...yalty-plan.htmlI've always been amazed at how hard it is for musicians and songwriters, who produce one of the most consumed products daily on the planet, have such a struggle making money off of their consumed products.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,085
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,085 |
IMO, semantics aside, Pandora is still "radio" and should be treated as such based on audience size and pay accordingly like every other station - broadcasting chain does.
Interesting article Joe. Thanks for posting.
Josie
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,494
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,494 |
Hi, Joe !:))
It was a very interesting article indeed !:))
I have to say that I have an understanding
for both sides in this neverending story !:))
There will always be a consuming as well as
a producing part, and it is likely that there
will be more opinions on this issue than there
are composers out there ?
Cheers
Dani
Last edited by dani48; 02/15/14 03:19 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
There is more than just two differing groups here, the composers and consumers representing the two with the least clout.
3) Corporate Recording Company Weasels
Which extends right from the top on down to include the retail and discount record merchants.
Keep making and webpublishing INDY music...
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,129
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,129 |
A previous coworker once explained to me how much of the business world is about controlling and supplying the inventory - you buy up all the resources or rights to an item, and prevent others from owning or buying it without paying you.
When vinyl records were the only game in town, consumers had no choice but to buy from the record companies that produced them, and artists could not afford to cut their own vinyl so they could reach a wide distribution venue.
Now, if you think about health care, are the insurance companies playing a much different role than the record companies did ? They control the entire supply chain, and make money by forcing themselves as the go-between between producers (doctors) and consumers (patients).
In fact - thought of in this way - every industry is quite similar.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,494
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,494 |
OK self, put down the keyboard and step away from this thread.
Win10Pro,i9,64GB,2TBSSD+20TBHDDs,1080TI,BIAB'24,Scarlett18i8,Montage7,Fusion 8HD,QS8,Integra7,XV5080,QSR,SC-8850,SPLAT,FL21&others,Komp.14,IK suite&others, just a guitar player-AXE FX III &FM9T, FishmanTP, MIDIGuitar2, GK2/3'sw/GI20
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,075
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 8,075 |
Wouldn't it be nice if the people that created the products actually made a fair percentage of the money.
The only way to keep most of the money generated by the sale of whatever you create is to bypass as many of the middlemen as possible.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
That's a rog, Larry, let's just stay up above in loose deuce...
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250 |
I'm trying to square this with the constant media images of these impoverished Performers dripping in Bling, driving expensive cars and buying multi million £ or $ houses.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious but that money has to have come from their music (if that's what its called) somehow.
Ian
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
Who you gonna believe, Ian, the assumptions of the people, or yer own lyin' eyes?  --Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250 |
Who you gonna believe, Ian, the assumptions of the people, or yer own lyin' eyes? --Mac Didn't the Eagles write something about that? Reading it again, it seems that its the Writers who get short changed by the system. Maybe to supliment their meagre incomes, they're the ones driving the Stars" limos.  Question is - why do they sell their soul? Divide $538.79 by 33,000,000. Would you work for that? Ian
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
All of journalism exists for the purpose of agenda.
A text, taken out of context, is a pretext.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,250 |
All of journalism exists for the purpose of agenda.
A text, taken out of context, is a pretext.
--Mac I gotcha 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,790
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,790 |
I'm trying to square this with the constant media images of these impoverished Performers dripping in Bling, driving expensive cars and buying multi million £ or $ houses.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious but that money has to have come from their music (if that's what its called) somehow.
Ian a few folks in my state hit the lottery every year...and they appear on the news, sometimes dripping in bling, driving expensive cars, etc. I don't buy lottery tickets because of that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
The stats reveal that the greater majority of big lottery winners end up in worse shape than before their big win, many end up in jail, quite a few end up dead.
Which is kind of like the music star situation, actually...
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,311
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,311 |
The big money in the music business isn't in the music. It's in the endorsements and merchandising.
Writers have traditionally gotten the dirty end of the stick from the beginning..... after all, most folks think that all you did was spend a few hours at most, writing a few words, and putting a melody to it.... how hard can that be, and should it justify hundreds of thousands of dollars or more in compensation?
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
What most folks think doesn't have a thing to do with how royalty payments work.
There are plenty of examples of millionaires and even multimillionaires who derive their entire fortunes from only their songwriting endeavors.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,129
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,129 |
What most folks think doesn't have a thing to do with how royalty payments work.
There are plenty of examples of millionaires and even multimillionaires who derive their entire fortunes from only their songwriting endeavors.
--Mac My 2 favorites are Burt Bacharach, and that guy who wrote the songs for "The Partridge Family" - I stil listen to them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913 |
There's a guy who has been writing useless songs which name-drop famous people in the titles and he publishes the CDs to CDBaby, which gets it into iTunes as well as Spotify. Because of the song titles mentioning the famous folks, he gets lots of plays on Spotify. Supposedly last year he pulled in $23,000 in play royalties from Spotify. Just wondering when the hammer will drop on him from some of the p.o.'ed famous people from which he is gaining financial gain from simply using their name. http://bdcwire.com/danvers-dude-makes-23k-musically-spamming-on-spotify/
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
Join the conversation on our forum.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac Videos
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll also keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
From overviews of new features and walkthroughs of the 202 new RealTracks, to highlights of XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAKs 18, the 2025 49-PAK, and in-depth tutorials — you’ll find everything you need to explore what’s new in Band-in-a-Box® 2025.
Reference this forum post for One-Stop Shopping of our Band-in-a-Box® 2025 Mac Videos — we’ll be adding more videos as they’re released!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac is here, packed with major new features and an incredible collection of available new content! This includes 202 RealTracks (in Sets 449-467), plus 20 bonus Unreleased RealTracks in the 2025 49-PAK. There are new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 4, two new sets of “RealDrums Stems,” XPro Styles PAK 8, Xtra Styles PAK 19, and more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac with savings of up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special—available until July 31, 2025! Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
2025 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some incredible Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Mac 2025 packages, but for even more Add-ons (including 20 Unreleased RealTracks!) upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.
If you have any questions, feel free to connect with us directly—we’re here to help!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!
Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano
Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!
Bonjour à tous,
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music
Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:
BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation
Voilà, enjoy!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!
Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!
Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
Stay up to date—get the latest update now!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums58
Topics84,271
Posts777,169
Members39,609
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean