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Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still #242940 03/07/14 03:16 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack OP Veteran
OP AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia	I have seen this many times, I first reported it in 2013 - running 2013 (366) The problem still exists, with BiaB 2014 (380) I can resolve by return to factory settings, but then it just does it again. Even on a different song. Return to Factory settings is only an unsatisfactory temporary workaround, certainly not a fix. 2014: 2013: I unfreeze every track, completely regenerate the song, stop, start, freeze, unfreeze, regenerate, makes no difference, still has wrong beat. Any ideas (besides "temporary" patches with return to factory settings, again)? BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #242946 03/07/14 05:43 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,842 Pensacola, Florida	Just loaded a song and saw the same behavior here. I would report it directly to PGMusic, so they can fix. Seems to definitely be a bug. Unless "2" is the new downbeat. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still jford #242950 03/07/14 06:07 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: jford Just loaded a song and saw the same behavior here. I would report it directly to PGMusic, so they can fix. Seems to definitely be a bug. Unless "2" is the new downbeat. Ha, you might be right John, somebody once said 'One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do' I've reported previously, but still no fix, so I've reported it again. Perhaps you might report it too, indicating it's not an isolated case? Incidentally, once it starts doing it, it does it for every song that subsequently gets loaded, even if I create a completely new song. Takes a shut down of BiaB to fix it, so it's not related to the song file, it's related to the program internals. Cheers Trevor BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #242955 03/07/14 06:21 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	If this happens with ASIO drivers running, try switching the OS "Processor Scheduling" to "Background Services" via Control Panel -> System -> Advanced -> Advanced (again, from the tab). Might be slightly different for the various Windoze offerings, a Bing should bring up particulars on how to get to it. And - If it is already set to Background Services, as regards the net published Tweaks for DAWs - try turning Background Services OFF then. This would be an interesting experiment to perform regardless of result, would be good to report your findings in this regard. To include make and model of Sound Device and whether or not you are using Native ASIO or one of the converters. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still Mac #242966 03/07/14 07:11 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia	Hi Mac No, using stock-standard MME Note that the count-in is always correct, but the metronome simply skips 1 at the exact start of the song, and remains exactly 1 beat out for the duration, and does this song-after-song. And it doesn't always do this, it just gets a mind of its own every so often. Did you think it might be related to latency at all? Trevor Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 2014-03-08_01-06-09.jpg (53.66 KB, 57 downloads) BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #242970 03/07/14 07:18 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia	An interesting observation: If I load a song in 3/4 time, the metronome is correct - starts on 1, and gives me 1,2,3 1,2,3. If I then immediately load a song in 4/4, the same old acting-up is back: 2,3,4,1 2,3,4,1 ... Some internal modulo thing out of sync I reckon. regards Trevor BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #242980 03/07/14 08:14 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA M Mac Veteran
Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	Duplicated here now after switching to MME. Looks like the "1" is being skipped here, after the countin. Reads, "234,234..." Tried entering other latency values. Options -> MIDI/Audio window, BB had automatically derived a setting of 488mS on this old laptop - and the met and visual is off like yours. But I know this setup well, tried setting my latency manually to 188mS, which is what I remember from much past usage. And at 188mS, the countin is all there and rock solid as it should be. So this is a bug, alright, something in that automatic setting, BB threw up a message window the first time I visited the Latency block that said something about the Latency being derived automatically when using a DXi synth - but it isn't working correctly. So I ignored that and manually set my Latency figure and now all is working as it should with the numbers and metronome using MME. I use the old machinist's Rule of Halves to find a good Latency value in the least time. That narrows it down a bit easier than guesswork, but does take a bit of trial and error, revisiting until the Latency nails it. That should get you fixed in the meantime, but this is a bug, certainly. The bug must lie somewhere in that Automatic derivation of the Latency figure. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #242981 03/07/14 08:17 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	Hmnm, just discovered something else. If I open the MIDI/Audio window and just hit Okay at bottom to close it, then immediately Re-Open the window and close it again, with BB not playing at the time, then the Latency figure sets itself to the correct setting of 188mS for this old machine. Might save time in getting the right number for you if opening and closing the window twice in succession works at your end. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still Mac #242988 03/07/14 08:42 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: Mac Hmnm, just discovered something else. If I open the MIDI/Audio window and just hit Okay at bottom to close it, then immediately Re-Open the window and close it again, with BB not playing at the time, then the Latency figure sets itself to the correct setting of 188mS for this old machine. Might save time in getting the right number for you if opening and closing the window twice in succession works at your end. --Mac Good detective work. My system seems a little more stubborn, unfortunately, regardless of multiple Open/Close actions. I changed the latency from 488 to 188, pressed OK, and OK again on the Midi/Audio Window. Open the Midi/Audio Windows, press "Audio Settings (MME)" button, and the value is auto-magically back on 488. It only happens when I close the main Midi/Audio window. If I only close and re-open the "Audio Settings (MME)" button, the value stays there - more-or-less. If I set it to 188, and go back and look, it is now 186. If I set it to 128 close and go back to look, it is still 128. The program itself seems to be calculating this value, and not accepting user input. So I cannot seem to get my value to stay where I set it. Hmmm... This system is an Intel Core i7 running at 2.88Ghz, so it's not too tired. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #242993 03/07/14 09:14 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,610 Sterling, Va raymb1 Veteran
raymb1 Veteran Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,610 Sterling, Va	Have you tried Prefs-Countin-Metronome Options? There's are options there that leave out beat one. Just guessing on this. Later, Ray Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still raymb1 #242996 03/07/14 09:34 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	Originally Posted By: raymb1 Have you tried Prefs-Countin-Metronome Options? There's are options there that leave out beat one. Just guessing on this. Later, Ray The 2 & 4 option isn't the issue here, Ray. That BackBeat option is there because Yours Truly requested it dontcha know. straightahead, swing hard and play outside, --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #243017 03/07/14 12:43 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,842 Pensacola, Florida jford Veteran
jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,842 Pensacola, Florida	The problem is that after the correct count-in, you actually see the metronome couting "2-3-4-1, 2-3-4-1", not "1-2-3-4, 1-2-3-4". John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #243019 03/07/14 12:54 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	I think John nsiled it there. Here, changing that Latency figure manually corrects the problem. Did not notice it before due to use of ASIO. It seems to be strictly an MME w/DXi(VSTi) synth selected problem. Been runnin' it all afternoon now and can create the problem and fix it at will using the Latency manual entry method, it seems. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #243056 03/07/14 04:55 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,842 Pensacola, Florida	Still think it's a bug, because once it starts it counts dead on, but starting with "2". John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still jford #243061 03/07/14 05:31 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: jford Still think it's a bug, because once it starts it counts dead on, but starting with "2". Yes, that's what I thought. It doesn't matter the tempo of the song, slow, fast etc. I tried it with songs at 80bpm and 175bpm and others in between, it's rock steady 2,3,4,1 2,3,4,1. The count display 'timing' is perfect, it just doesn't know where 'one' is (like coming back in after a not-very-good bass solo - ha ha) I thought if it was a latency thing, then these results would vary. Did you report, John? Regards Trevor BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #243078 03/07/14 07:55 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA M Mac Veteran
Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	But did you TRY changing the latency setting? PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still Mac #243084 03/07/14 09:28 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: Mac But did you TRY changing the latency setting? I tried many times, but it doesn't stay stuck, it goes back to 488 all by itself. However, then I did realize that the Audio Latency value (1) appears to be only there for 'looks'. It just follows whatever is entered in the Driver Latency value (2). I was changing the values in (1) every time. Change (1) and nothing happens (close and reopen and the original is back) Change (2) and (1) has the same value as (2) And yes, then the metronome shows 1 on the 1st beat. This has to be considered a bug though... Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 2014-03-08_15-19-55.jpg (141.98 KB, 30 downloads) BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #243086 03/07/14 09:36 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia	Also, this value is created automatically. I set to 128, click OK, reopen and it's now 104. So I have to wonder how the same computer managed to set itself to 488, more than 4 x the value it is showing now! Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 2014-03-08_15-35-41.jpg (70.96 KB, 28 downloads) Last edited by VideoTrack; 03/07/14 09:38 PM. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still AudioTrack #243087 03/07/14 09:49 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA M Mac Veteran
Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	The Latency block in the Audio/MIDI setup window is the one I was referring to. That would be the last pic you posted above. And, yes, I did mention above about the "automatic" not doing right, which is what gave me the idea to try just manually entering the figure and that solved the problem here as well. I also found out that I can simply open that window Twice in a row - and here it sets itself properly after the second opening and closing. All of the above information may help development get to the problem quicker, let us pray. Its a bug, certainly, but we do have this workaround until the bug gets squashed. You should email development and reference this thread, my man. You found it, you report it. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Metronome starts on wrong Beat - still Mac #243092 03/07/14 11:39 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,077 Melbourne, Australia	Reported - all done! Now for Build 381... BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

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