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Printing presses really come in handy in a money crunch, eh?

Don S.

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"We can spend all we want, we'll make more!" -Unidentified US congressman

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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse out of the public treasury." -Alexis de Tocqueville

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Just a thought but I wonder if the millions of babies we kill every year in the name of "Pro Choice" are factored into our longevity rate?

Just wondering,

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My religion says abortion is wrong, so I don't do it (of course, I can't, I'm male) but if somebody else's belief says it's OK, they should have the right. I am in charge of my moral obligations, NOT big brother.

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... it might just be "my" moral obligation to try to save Notes' life,...

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The main Toronto newspaper had an article about the good old piece of ash and how that in this recession those who ply the oldest of professions are getting 1/3 of what they did before and how there is no bailout planned....LOL

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<...>What makes you think I feel differently? But just for the record if I were on a standing on a street corner and Notes was being attacked with the intent being his demise, I would not stand by without trying to stop his attacker. Come to think of it, it might just be "my" moral obligation to try to save Notes' life, but I won't know that until judgment day I guess.

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And I would do the same for you and any other human being.

However, a fetus is a different story, especially in the first 3 months. The way I figure it is at that point it is a religious and moral decision, and it is not up to the government to tell anyone what to do. Furthermore, since I am a male, I have less to say about it than any female unless the fetus she was carrying is my own.

Scientists cannot determine the point of conception. Sometimes many sperm cells enter the egg and it takes the egg days to eject the ones it doesn't want. Even when one is left, it may take even more days than that before the sperm and the egg actually combine. And most eggs with sperm inside actually never adhere to the woman's womb resulting in natural abortions.

Our republic was founded on a separation of church and state. It was done so because the founding fathers were well aware of the abuses that had gone on in Europe due to the fact that church and state were combined. Separation of church and state actually protects religion, and allows everybody to practice the faith that they choose to (in most cases the faith of their parents).

Here is something I noticed about the anti-abortionists in a town close to mine.

There is a strip center with a woman's referral center in it. They refer women to all their health needs, including an abortion if necessary, but from what I understand and read in the papers, they only refer to abortionists as a last resort and they try to exhaust all other options first, including adoption.

On the other end of the shopping center is an armed forces recruiting center. These people are taking young men and women who have mothers, fathers, and in many cases wives, husbands and/or children and they are sending them to Iraq. Keep in mind that our former president, in the name of Jesus (the Prince Of Peace) broke one commandment by bearing false witness against his neighbor (WMDs - any stooge knew Iraq didn't have them) and then sent our troops over there to die and to kill another 100,000 non military Iraq citizens (breaking another commandment - where is he going to go on judgment day?)

Who are the people picketing every day for years now? The woman's referral office. The people who sometimes refer women to abort a less than 3 month old fetus and refer more to adoption than they do to abortion. The organization that is killing adults every day is not being picketed.

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing but the utmost respect for our men and women in the armed forces, and my daughter is serving in the Air Force. These people are carrying out the wishes of our government and in most cases at the best of their ability, just like they should. I do not always agree with what our government asks them to do however.

But the point is, why picket the woman's referral office when at the other end of the shopping center adults are being murdered every day?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Except for the fact that war is very profitable for the Federal Reserve Bank and a few of the military contractors, most of which either own or are supporters of the mass media.

At least that's my guess.

And back on the issue of socialized medicine, here is a chart from the US government.

This is the only statistic I need to see that socialized medicine is not the big bug-a-boo that Fox, Limbaugh and other corporate controlled medial outlets say it is. These people make up the majority of our population with the exception of Africans and Hispanics, and Cuba has plenty of them, they have socialized medicine, and they also have a longer life expectancy.

As a moderate, I think some things should be socialized and others should be free market (with controls to prevent cartels and monopolies). School, police, fire, military, and medicine are the 5 that I think should be socialized. Four out of 5 are already socialized. If the people in industrialized countries were paying a penalty for socialized medicine, I'd be against it, but they are living longer so they must be doing something right.

Back to the bail-out - which started as a joke. I don't think the banks, insurance companies, or automobile companies should have been bailed out. It actually would have taken less money to bail out the workers. But the way I see it, the people elect our governors and our governors are puppets of the oligarchy - the multi-national corporations.

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However, a fetus is a different story, especially in the first 3 months. The way I figure it is at that point it is a religious and moral decision, and it is not up to the government to tell anyone what to do. Furthermore, since I am a male, I have less to say about it than any female unless the fetus she was carrying is my own.

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Let's get back on track, 'K?

I would like my Canadian friends here to read the following article and give us some insight into their experiences:

Canadian doctor talks about problems with healthcare system.

I'm getting the notion that the largest problem is the way people view the situation digitally. Either/Or, One/Zero, All/None type of thing.

When confronted with such at the design table, experience has taught me that the elegant answer very often lies in between the extremes.


--Mac

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<...>What makes you think I feel differently? But just for the record if I were on a standing on a street corner and Notes was being attacked with the intent being his demise, I would not stand by without trying to stop his attacker. Come to think of it, it might just be "my" moral obligation to try to save Notes' life, but I won't know that until judgment day I guess.

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And I would do the same for you and any other human being.

However, a fetus is a different story, especially in the first 3 months. The way I figure it is at that point it is a religious and moral decision, and it is not up to the government to tell anyone what to do. Furthermore, since I am a male, I have less to say about it than any female unless the fetus she was carrying is my own.

Because you are male I guess you have no say so even if the child being aborted was yours. It does not work like that in my family. But to each his/her choice, that is as long as that choice does not affect my family as then it becomes my choice also.

Scientists cannot determine the point of conception. Sometimes many sperm cells enter the egg and it takes the egg days to eject the ones it doesn't want. Even when one is left, it may take even more days than that before the sperm and the egg actually combine. And most eggs with sperm inside actually never adhere to the woman's womb resulting in natural abortions.

Some scientist cannot determine what color socks to where with a tux either, therefore I do not take their word "as Gospel" either.

Our republic was founded on a separation of church and state. It was done so because the founding fathers were well aware of the abuses that had gone on in Europe due to the fact that church and state were combined. Separation of church and state actually protects religion, and allows everybody to practice the faith that they choose to (in most cases the faith of their parents).

Here is something I noticed about the anti-abortionists in a town close to mine.

There is a strip center with a woman's referral center in it. They refer women to all their health needs, including an abortion if necessary, but from what I understand and read in the papers, they only refer to abortionists as a last resort and they try to exhaust all other options first, including adoption.

I guess some look at abortion as a health need

On the other end of the shopping center is an armed forces recruiting center. These people are taking young men and women who have mothers, fathers, and in many cases wives, husbands and/or children and they are sending them to Iraq. Keep in mind that our former president, in the name of Jesus (the Prince Of Peace) broke one commandment by bearing false witness against his neighbor (WMDs - any stooge knew Iraq didn't have them) and then sent our troops over there to die and to kill another 100,000 non military Iraq citizens (breaking another commandment - where is he going to go on judgment day?)

Was our former president the only one who believed there were WMD's in Iraq? Come on you know the answer to that. There was a montage with the likes of just about every well know democrat touting the action against Iraq because of the "WMD" on Youtube for years but it has since been removed. And are you calling those famous democrats stooges also? Is the Bush hating will never stop, I pity the haters.

Who are the people picketing every day for years now? The woman's referral office. The people who sometimes refer women to abort a less than 3 month old fetus and refer more to adoption than they do to abortion. The organization that is killing adults every day is not being picketed.

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing but the utmost respect for our men and women in the armed forces, and my daughter is serving in the Air Force. These people are carrying out the wishes of our government and in most cases at the best of their ability, just like they should. I do not always agree with what our government asks them to do however

1st of all congratulations and appreciation to your daughter for her service to our country from my family, Navy, Air Force and the latest Iraq duty Army. But while you state you have the utmost respect for our military you refer to them as the organization that is killing adults everyday. That is sort of like being a little but pregnant, it's impossible. To me this is an either/or situation and if it's you respect them, then how can you call them murderers?

With that said all I can offer is for you to keep in mind they are all military volunteers and over the age of 18, much unlike the millions of aborted "baby humans" who have no say so whatsoever as they are being sucked out of the womb and discarded in trash cans and plastic bags. But the late terms are a little older, 7-8 months I guess and they don't have names.

But the point is, why picket the woman's referral office when at the other end of the shopping center adults are being murdered every day?

It just doesn't make sense to me.

I guess it never will, just as some of your views and rationale just doesn’t make sense to me either.

Except for the fact that war is very profitable for the Federal Reserve Bank and a few of the military contractors, most of which either own or are supporters of the mass media.

At least that's my guess.

That is exactly why we have ever gone to war. I think that is a bad guess.

And back on the issue of socialized medicine, here is a chart from the US government.

This is the only statistic I need to see that socialized medicine is not the big bug-a-boo that Fox, Limbaugh and other corporate controlled medial outlets say it is. These people make up the majority of our population with the exception of Africans and Hispanics, and Cuba has plenty of them, they have socialized medicine, and they also have a longer life expectancy.

As a moderate, I think some things should be socialized and others should be free market (with controls to prevent cartels and monopolies). School, police, fire, military, and medicine are the 5 that I think should be socialized. Four out of 5 are already socialized. If the people in industrialized countries were paying a penalty for socialized medicine, I'd be against it, but they are living longer so they must be doing something right.

I thought you were not your brother's keeper. Socialism is the poster card for "my brother's keeper". I believe in the free market, and government staying out of my life by letting me make my own decisions, period.

Back to the bail-out - which started as a joke. I don't think the banks, insurance companies, or automobile companies should have been bailed out. It actually would have taken less money to bail out the workers. But the way I see it, the people elect our governors and our governors are puppets of the oligarchy - the multi-national corporations.

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The imports are not without their problems, but we blithely assume they are always better. I think it has something to do with the "grass being greener on the other side of the fence".

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Haha amen - having owned nothing but "imports" in my time driving, I'll be the first to say that my various Volvos, Benzes, Toyotas, Land Rovers, etc have been in the shop a LOT Then again, they're generally pretty old vehicles (the combined age of my cars right now is 90 years). At least I've never seen the door come off any of them like I did my brother's Ford Escort (fell completely off when we stopped at a gas station once - couldn't believe it <g>)... I'm sure that's not normal though.

I'll never buy an American car, but not because they're not any good... Just the ones I could afford aren't any good