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Anybody else notice some of the extra noise in some realdrums tracks? What is it? Drummer humming along?? Someone moving a refrigerator? You have to lisen close to hear it Sample below- http://www.foryoursound.com/stuff/drummer.mp3
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i don't think it is a kill at all. Matter of fact, just about any *real* drum track, when solo'd, can come up with that sort of thing.
Bass and Drum tracks are likely the worst for it, but the extraneous noises are usually not heard in the context of the entire mix, matter of fact they often add something undefinable but better to the mix.
I think that part of the "problem" inherent in today's digital recording methods, sampled drums, software created drums, etc. is that the parts generated can be too sterile in that sense. Can sound artificial.
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I wasn't complaining, I am indeed using that very track!
I was just wondering what it was.. it's almost like a humming, but not quite with the beat..
got me curious.
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I think it is the overheads picking up the backing track that the drummer was playing to in the studio.
Headphone leakage.
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I just got to know how a leakage track that has nothing to do with the song I am recording at present "add" anything to my tracks?
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Christ, you must have bloody good ears - I can't hear it
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I just got to know how a leakage track that has nothing to do with the song I am recording at present "add" anything to my tracks?
I guess when the drummer is grunting and working harder, that little extra something about the performance comes out.
Or, as was once said about a great Bass track, "The good ones sound like someone is working on a Buick in the background when solo'd".
The Signal-to-Noise Ratio will effectively make all but the most obtrusive of high amplitude stuff unheard anyway.
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"Christ, you must have bloody good ears - I can't hear it "
Umm - thanks, I guess.
I try to listen to every track closely. It is not that hard to pick up in this particular section.
It is the only time I've heard it in a realdrum track, so it caught my attention.
I thought it was the drummer humming/grunting to the groove to stay focused. (I've heard this when recording drummers before) It is not a kill, even adds interest IMHO, and had I not pointed it out I guess nobody would have noticed at all.
I thought it was pretty cool.
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Sounds like the drummer favours Doc Martins or canvas sneakers. Or rubber boots.  When the feet begin to sweat, some very odd noises emanate from the area if his/her kick and hi-hat pedals...
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It sounds like the ol-Whistle while ya work, LOL
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Ever since seeing the title of this post I haven't been able to get the picture of a grubby infantryman carrying drumsticks out of my mind.
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I think the drummer did a 'uunhh' in the space where the snare would have normally gone at beat 2 in the 2nd measure. Many drummers do stuff like this as they mix up their beats.
What is more concerning to me is the lack of timing in that loop. It starts fast - smooths out - then seems to really drag at the end of the loop.
At least, that's what it sounds like to me.
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Just re-listened while subdividing the click into 16ths, I hear no drag at all, the timing of that clip is dead on the clock.
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Just re-listened while subdividing the click into 16ths, I hear no drag at all, the timing of that clip is dead on the clock.
--Mac
I had to listen again and I have to agree with you on this listen through. I wonder if it's the way that I'm decoding .mp3 inside of Firefox - I could swear it sounded wonky last night. I was counting it out, etc.
It's a cool beat - I'm always a sucker for the dropped snare stuff thrown in for flavor - I wouldn't use that beat but a couple times in a song.
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What is more concerning to me is the lack of timing in that loop. It starts fast - smooths out - then seems to really drag at the end of the loop.
At least, that's what it sounds like to me.
Scott,
I know what you're talking about. How a person listens to drums has a bearing on the perceived timing.
I worked with a drummer (Franky York) who was/is a true percussion phenomenon - he could/can play a different beat with each hand and foot, and be right on the metronome with all four. Franky's drum teacher played guitar and bass in a band with Franky and I, and when those two were the rhythm section, things got very weird - you know they were right on the money, but the beat sounded "off"....to me 
Larry Thornton is another technically excellent drummer who I had the pleasure of sharing the rhythm section with when playing bass in a country band, and he was all about "nuances". Larry would (typically) keep the kick drum on the beat, and work the rest of the kit all around it, slightly off the clock, to suit the style of the song. To me, Larry sounded more "on the beat"...
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What is more concerning to me is the lack of timing in that loop. It starts fast - smooths out - then seems to really drag at the end of the loop.
At least, that's what it sounds like to me.
Scott,
I know what you're talking about. How a person listens to drums has a bearing on the perceived timing.
I worked with a drummer (Franky York) who was/is a true percussion phenomenon - he could/can play a different beat with each hand and foot, and be right on the metronome with all four. Franky's drum teacher played guitar and bass in a band with Franky and I, and when those two were the rhythm section, things got very weird - you know they were right on the money, but the beat sounded "off"....to me
Larry Thornton is another technically excellent drummer who I had the pleasure of sharing the rhythm section with when playing bass in a country band, and he was all about "nuances". Larry would (typically) keep the kick drum on the beat, and work the rest of the kit all around it, slightly off the clock, to suit the style of the song. To me, Larry sounded more "on the beat"...
Oren, I hear you - but I don't think that's what was going on here. I think it might be the way the .mp3 decoder was working on the desktop machine I first auditioned rharv's loop.
On my laptop, I didn't hear any of the slow-downs that I heard on the desktop.
In High School, I played in bands with Doug Corella. Doug is the percussionist/keyboard player in a band that had some commercial success in the early 2000's called "The Verve Pipe". You may remember their big hit 'Freshman' (I'm pretty sure this was a Billboard top 10). Anyhow, Doug could play around any beat he felt like. While most High School drummers in my day had posters of Neil Peart and Alex Van Halen on their bedroom walls, Doug had posters of Louie Bellson and Buddy Rich on his walls. He could play hi-hat like Stewart Copeland. In fact, it was likely that he was a better drummer than the Verve Pipe's "official" drummer, but I believe Doug joined the band several years after it was formed. He's still the best drummer I've ever had privilege to play with. I got used to it. I didn't know how special it was until trying to play keys in the pickup-jazz band we had at college. Doug could make any beat have a pocket that was easy to get into no matter where it was and make you smile the whole time. My playing was better because of it. In fact, I was so used to it that I felt my live skills dwindle and personal frustration rise over the years with playing live, to the point that I didn't play in any bands for a good 10 years. I still haven't experienced that joy since.
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Yeah, the example given here is a pretty straightforward beat situation.
All ya gotta do is count to four by givin' it eight to the bar.
And keep counting throughout.
Oren's Drummer and Bass Player can do what they do because they are counting like that the entire time. Those who don't perceive it are NOT counting. Bad situation for the ensemble, as every member should be counting on their own for themselves, all the time. Do that and you won't "lose" the other two cats at all.
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Oh yeah! My timing is notoriously eccentric... I have managed to find a few players around here who share the same timing eccentricities, so we all tend to weave and wobble in cadence. If we take it on the road, we're considering the name Shakey and The Wanderers ...
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