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This is a bit of an odd one!
Like of most of you, I guess, I use the style selection window a good deal, for all its limitations ('if feel and tempo match prototype' has such an elastic measure of 'tempo' that it sorts very little, for example). But it hadn't occurred to me that the list/window might not actually include everything......
I've just bought the Jeff Lorber Fusion soloists set, and playing through the demos, I saw it was using FusnGrv1.sty, so it occurred to me to look and see if there was a FusnGrv2.sty. But according to the selection window , and search mechanism, there isn't even a FusnGrv1, even though it's happily playing all the while. So I go looking, and, yes, it's there in the BB folder. So I click the rebuild button on the style selection window, but still it's not 'there', and search still says it finds nothing. And yes, I have checked the obvious things like 'spelling' mistakes, and case.......
I'd appreciate any advice on the mechanics of this, and I'm wondering if there are other styles in my BB file that the style selection is missing.
Best wishes
Ian G.
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It may be the case that the style is another one of what pgmusic calls "Utility" styles.
These "Utility" styles are also found in use with other offerings such as the "101" riffs, etc. series as well as a few others.
Typically these "styles" are not complete, in the sense that they may only have the A substyle available, and/or a truncated pattern set, etc.
Good for an example but not so good for rolling an entire song using just that style, I have found a way to use some of them anyway, incorporating the "Change Style at Bar" command:
Locate the style in the User Styles Folder dialog and add them there using the wizard in User Styles.
Don't know specifically about the Jeff Lorber situation you cite, but it is worth a try at your end. If you don't understand what I"m talking about above, let me know and I'll try to delineate what to do a bit better if you need it.
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I'm wondering if there are other styles in my BB file that the style selection is missing.
To add to Mac's info, I find that any style representing the "higher letters" of a multistyle (c,d, etc.) won't show in the stylepicker. IOW, if a style name has "+" as the last character before ".sty", then any other style whose name has that "+" replaced with a digit (usually "2") won't compile into the stylepicker, (but will appear in the F9 dialog.) As Mac indicates, they can be added to the stylepicker using the edit interface. I created a sub-category under My Styles called "PG styles that don't compile" or some such.
-Ron
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Mac and Ron
Thanks for your help. No, I see what you're saying, Mac - thro the 'Edit' button ?
But what you both say depends on the user knowing about the missing style in the first place. Ron seems to be saying that are quite a lot that don't compile. My most recent 'rebuild' (2 minutes ago) reported I had 3754 styles compiled, so there must be more than that in the BB folder - it's hardly practical to go through one by one to see if there's something uncompiled that is actually just that groove you've always dreamt of............If there isn't a way of comprehensively compiling the whole set, that sounds like a high priority wishlist item to me ?
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I exported my style picker list to a CSV file (which I found I had to tweak to import into Excel properly, because all the style names that start with the equals sign get interpreted as formulas). Anyway, I then created a list of the style files I have in my BIAB folder. I compared the two and found the following files do not display in the style picker list after rebuilding it:
_BALAD2.STY
_TOBY2.STY
-11_8_E2.STY
-11_8_P2.STY
-13_8_P2.STY
-14_8_J2.STY
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!byrddu4.STY
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Aaron2.sty
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Big2.sty
Blue2.sty
BrWires2.STY
Celin2.sty
CitySlk2.STY
ClimbBt2.STY
Cloud2.sty
Drama2.STY
Eagle22.sty
Folky2.sty
fusngrv1.STY
George2.sty
gitcomp1.STY
GoodGrl2.STY
Hbilly2.sty
Hind2.sty
Hive2.sty
J~~LAURA.STY
Jode22.sty
John2.sty
JS051.STY
Los2.sty
Modern2.sty
NEWONE.STY
NR_BUKY2.STY
NR_CRAG2.STY
NR_CURR2.STY
NR_DIRK2.STY
NR_DUNN2.STY
NR_GENT2.STY
NR_GRET2.STY
NR_HILL2.STY
NR_JASN2.STY
NR_JONE2.STY
NR_KENC2.STY
NR_LSTR2.STY
NR_MART2.STY
NR_NORJ2.STY
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NR_TOBY2.STY
NR_TRAC2.STY
NR_UNDR2.STY
NR_WREC2.STY
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PNO_SIMP.STY
POPWALZ1.STY
RCKSTDY2.STY
Reqiem2.STY
Ricky2.sty
Shoping2.STY
SloHard2.STY
Train2.sty
Uplif2.STY
UrbFolk2.STY
viol_sav.STY
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John knows what his computer is for.
Good stuff, John!
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Hi John,
I remember that at the time of the major old style update that happened a year also they were a few things that were wrong then with some names being changed or something which could account for old file names being found but not on BIAB
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I remember at one time, there was an issue with the "other styles" category not being picked up completely, but since they fixed this, it would now seem that there is some logic in the program to EXCLUDE certain styles (just like there is logic in the program itself to INCLUDE PGMusic provided styles, or maybe it's related). I would think that these "missing" styles would at least be picked up in the "other styles" category. Hmmm, I wonder what would happen if you explicitly created an LS3 file with those styles listed.
Haven't heard PGMusic chime in on this yet, though.
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I used to have a plaque above my desk that said, "I love computers. I can sit and watch them do my work all day long." It had a picture of a guy reclining in his office chair and a printer spitting out reams of output.
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John
Humble pie time: "it's hardly practical to go through one by one to see if there's something uncompiled that is actually just that groove you've always dreamt of."
- except that you did - or at least, the necessary spadework for it ! That is SO helpful !
But it does confirm that there's not just a small 'problem', but a symphonic-sized HOLE in the Style Picker as supplied.
As you said:
"Haven't heard PGMusic chime in on this yet, though. "
I'm listening, too !
Many thanks
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Peter has mentioned the "utility" styles thing in the past, matter of fact, that's where I got the name for them, he said pretty much what I wrote up above IIRC.
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Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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