PG Music Home Forums General Discussion Off-Topic Fishman Triple Play Guitar Synth

Ron

No, I am not that Larry (but I'm always looking for a free scotch). I've never worked there I just claim them on taxes as a dependent!

I TRY to buy everything (when I was buying lots of stuff anyway) local at Grandma's (although bulk stings, a few other nits, some boutique amps, pedals, etc. I buy wherever over web).

I prefer brick and mortar stores (but NOT Guitar Center) it's a place I can check out equipment (use to be literally check it out, i.e., take it home for a real test drive) and do hands-on stuff. When they were on Juan Tabo, in their first store location (single unit - on south side of strip mall) before moving to the same strip mall but bigger space (before the now free sanding store on my side of town) - Micky and Ryan let me take lots of stuff HOME to try in my set up (I doubt they do that much anymore - too much insurance liability, etc.)

My first experience with this thing called "MIDI" (I was late MIDI bloomer) was a GR-50 that Micky let me take home (and it was the first and only GR-50 in Abq!).

I read manual cover to cover while pushing buttons (something they weren't use to customers doing) and that's where I learned MIDI, from a Roland user manual - I was still active duty then (before my 1st retirement).

Micky & Ryan have been nothing but kind as can be with me - I've made some really GREAT deals there and they have earned my business for a life time.

And if folks her are looking for a nice trust worthy place to buy stuff CALL Grandma's Music and Sound in Albuquerque.


 
NOW back on topic - re:Triple Play

I need to make a PUBLIC CLARIFICATION on Fishman's Triple Play and even Jam Origins MIDI Guitar.

You should know (and it should be obvious from my posted numbers) is not audio optimized. My PC is used for tech modeling, math, stat, analysis,.. (i.e., consultant work), GAMING, and the DAW thing is for home, fun, and well I like playing music. I haven't gigged in WAY over 45 years.

SO again: MY PC IS NOT OPTIMIZED for low latency audio!

Instead of getting ~28 MS with Fishman TP (FTP) or Jam Origins MIDI guitar I should be able to drive it down to under 10 MS even when my PC is NOT fully optimized for real time audio. One of these days I will "semi-optimize" but without jeopardizing all my other SW and PC work needs (I only have space for one PC it has to meet all needs).

A little latency, never bothered me before - for what I do and how I do it. However, what I did post previously probably misled folks and they may think the Fishman Triple Play (FTP) and Jam Origins MIDI Guitar (JOMG) has higher latency then they want when it's my PC config it is NOT FTP or JOMG.

RICHARD's GREAT POST, I think, gave a fair and accurate accounting of how good the FTP can be and IS, when set up and configured properly (and you really know how to use a guitar for MIDI)!

I should have left well enough alone I was only trying to point out the FTP latency (to get pitch to MIDI and get it into the PC SW) PLUS YOUR PCs AUDIO latency will determine OVERALL latency (string pluck to output sound). But I did not say that clearly!


As to Jam Origins all I can say is see this OLD thread and this was about on old beta version

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5366323

This self-induced "exercise" made me go back and look at some old info that is still relevant, so for some who may not understand the basics, or want a refresher try

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep02/articles/pcmusician0902.asp (yes old and dated but numbers are numbers).

Read the HW synth delays and MIDI interfaces (you'll see it adds up even for HW) - and for fun remind yourself about ASIO - there is a lot of variance out there and a lot of "hands" touch the signals [from buffering, to input to processing to output to re-route to yet another process, etc.)

And also read the Part 2 section " Latency Perception" -

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct02/articles/pcmusician1002.asp


Also, if you trust these kinds of reviews see the section marked tools4muisc after link:


http://jamorigin.com/press/ (tools4Music magazine (3/2013), review of MIDI Guitar 0.6 BETA)

Info item: for those who want to check their systems actual latency and not sure how to, and not just the theoretical latency using arithmetic of: 1/44100 X #buffers X 100 = latency in milliseconds,

a FREE and easy way (this is NOT what I did)

http://manual.audacityteam.org/man/Latency_Test

I don't know if he is using ONLY the supplied ST 2 XT sounds, or other plugins, but here is a good Fishman Triple Play Youtube….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-EH-0SHVJQ

Someone else using Omnisphere VSTi with FTP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhqYsoIeBQ

Finally a sweetwater review of the FTP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcmFrtxBU0

EDITED: RON - I MISSED your question about HW synths:


IF you mean can I use FTP to play an external HW synth? answer is YES! (but obviously thru the PC to the HW synth - not "directly")

Look at manual pg7 and sort of in fig 3 (but it doesn't show ACTUAL CURRENT menus)

http://www.fishman.com/software/tripleplay/download/tripleplay_user_guide.pdf

this is a manual shortfall they DO NOT SHOW that under "Preferences" is where you set/pick your PCs HW MIDI I/O device?) - I have attached a pic to SHOW you that you can

so again you can play external MIDI synth HW (and external HW can play the Fishman SW but why would you? just play the VSTi you want directly, why would you do it through the Fishman interface?)



Larry