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Well don, Stephan. And thank you. I could have written a thesis or would have gladly taken the stage and given a one hour lecture (or two). You were very modest!
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The OP's issue was that he wanted simple backing track, and while that may have been representative of what BIAB was years ago, it isn't an accurate answer today. When I bought my first version of BIAB, 6 or 7 or something back then, I think it came on floppies. It was relatively inexpensive, and couldn't hold a candle to what it does today, not even the Melodist feature. PTW was 3.5 or something at the time.  Today, to shell out $570 for an UltraPakPlus, which is the minimum to get all the styles, all the Real Drums and all the Real Tracks is a substantial and hefty investment There are some pretty good Yamaha arranger keyboards that you can get for that, as well as getting the Ketron SD2. Something like Groove Agent in Cakewalk products would most likely have suited this person's needs. As an established BIAB user, I don't object heavily to spending $100 a year or so to upgrade and to support PG Music. But, unless a person is truly and fully aware of what BIAB does today, versus what it did even five years ago, there is no justifiable, or 'apparent' justifiable reason to spend $570 for software. Band In A Box, today more than ever, is music production tool like none other. It is, seriously, Pro Grade. But, unless people KNOW, have had the opportunity to see what Band In A Box is TRULY capable of, then they don't understand that it's not overpriced. What I would love to see is someone like Matt Finley take some of his songs that he's written with BIAB, and PERFORM them with BIAB, and get someone like Harvey Gerst to master them. Put that out there for the community of musicians to see, and get an idea of the full potential of BIAb, and then people will start to realize what it's really worth. Of course, an updated review by EM or Keyboard wouldn't hurt, either. Gary
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Gary, Have you seen Keyboard recently? I haven't seen it at Borders for a long time. EM is about 1/8th of an inch thick. They are dying off due to lack of advertising. The Internet is taking over. Perhaps Peter should go on Twitter and Tweet..... My recent review of BiaB at www.cakewalknet.com has generated a bunch of email from people who are very interested in the program but are trying to get their heads around what BiaB does. It would be wise for Peter and company to figure out how to better explain the program to those who love music and who play but are afraid of computers and software.That means a LOT of middle-aged and older men.(I wonder if Peter knows the median age of his users?) I sat down with a really good middle-aged musician last week who had bought BiaB on my recommendation. He was paralyzed. I coached him through the creation and rendering of a song and he was off and running. You can get into BiaB for a reasonable price if you don't buy every RTrack set. A friend of mine bought the basic version over the winter and will buy the Country Pak soon. If you are only into one genre of music, you could buy just jazz, rock, or country. I have used BiaB as part of my arranging and recording workflow since the mid-90s. RealDrums improved my last CD and I expect RTs will do the same for my next few. A major studio liked a fiddle track in a set of files I sent for a songwriter and never doubted I had recorded a fiddler. Musical snobbery will always be with us. I just go about my work and forget about it. And I get other musicians to buy the program and I teach them how to use it. Hopefully, they will do the same. Fred
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I think the cost of BIAB would be perfect if the Audiophile version were the standard.
If one upgrades twice a year, in the long run gets a bunch of useless hard-disks.
They don't cost so much but they add dollars in the final price.
It took just 5 hours to download the 2009a superpak, so it would be just a few days to download the Audiophile version.
I even would pay a 20% extra if I could download all the audiophile realtracks.
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I think that when a companies software becomes so large that its impossible to place it on dvd (or becomes inconvenient for the end user to install it from dvd's) and it has to be sold on a hard drive, then the cost of the hard drive + any mark-up will all add to the final price to the user.
I suppose in a sense the company becomes a hard ware seller as well as a software seller.
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Data delivery systems have systematically grown in size and bandwidth as time marches on. The old 360K floppy was once enough room to deliver entire programs. Soon extincted by program size, the 1.4mb floppy came along and soon was out of the forefront, replaced by the data CD and later on the DVD data disk. Today one cannot buy a new computer with a floppy drive already built into the thing.
The use of a hard drive for software delivery therefor doesn't represent a paradigm change for the industry.
As usual, Peter and company are at the forefront of innovation in this regard.
I think that with the advent of more and more computer sales being based upon multimedia rather than the more "mundane" aspects of computing, that we will see delivery of softwares plus files that are "clip art" in nature for other multimedia softwares too, such as video production suites and the like.
The cost of USB hard drives in quantity is not that much as compared to the cost of producing the bits and bytes that are delivered. Matter of fact it may just be about equal to the older costs of jobbing out pro quality CD or DVD data install disks with silkscreening, jacket, etc. Might even be less money at this point, or close to the same.
The actual BIAB program is still relatively small in size and could fit on just about any delivery system considering multiple-disk installers for the smaller sized media.
It is not data in the sense of program data that takes up the room here. The RealTracks are media, just like the old Clip Art media, in the sense that they are usable by any legal owner in the public domain. If you consider how long the graphics crowd has had the Clip Art stuff, then having it in the music industry domain is not a paradigm shift either.
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I tend to agree with Mac that Real Tracks and Real Drums are like clip art. However, I don't agree or think that you could buy the Pro Pak and then work up from there. You *CAN*, but it's akin to saying 'Okay, I'm going to get this art program, and I'll get 5% of the clip art that's available for it, hope it works, and then move up as I need more.' To my way of thinking, that's a way to spend a lot of money and not get what you want.
I still believe that we need more examples of how easy it is to use BIAB, and what it really takes.
Let me think about that for a while.
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Hi all,
Good thread. I have always wondered about the huge market for BIAB lurking in the background. I think it would be to great if Peter hired some "experts" to shop BIAB to all the College's & Music schools around the country. The only reason why BIAB has not caught on more is that most schools have very little idea how the program works, much less how it could benefit students. Sibelius has a HUGE investment in education, thus it has far surpassed Finale in most music schools. Heck, I would be honored to travel around preaching the PG programs, I know that many schools would pick it up in a flash. I have yet to see a musician here who isn't totally blown away by the sound of Real Tracks, by the time I show them the Lead Sheet printouts, they are more than sold.
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I have found BIAB in every music school I've visited.
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Good thread. I have always wondered about the huge market for BIAB lurking in the background. I think it would be to great if Peter hired some "experts" to shop BIAB to all the College's & Music schools around the country. The only reason why BIAB has not caught on more is that most schools have very little idea how the program works, much less how it could benefit students. Sibelius has a HUGE investment in education, thus it has far surpassed Finale in most music schools. Heck, I would be honored to travel around preaching the PG programs, I know that many schools would pick it up in a flash. I have yet to see a musician here who isn't totally blown away by the sound of Real Tracks, by the time I show them the Lead Sheet printouts, they are more than sold.
Ed
I feel that the younger generation for the most part would not be interested in the sounds that biab makes, to them it would probably sound so out of date and not with it. Probably they are into all kinds of loop type music. Probably the ear training and a few other things in biab would help them and might hold their attention.
I am not even sure if PG is even trying to convert the younger generation to biab or real band as the main introductory video for real band plays around with the song "will the circle be unbroken" in a bluegrass style. I feel that most modern teenagers seeing that would think it’s not cool.
For us older lot it’s a different story, it’s our most loved software program.
Long may biab reign.
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I have a friend in Tennessee, and she was in Band when she was in school, ten years ago or so. Played Clarinet. She knows of Band In A Box, they had it in school, but they never used it. Basically, the teachers didn't know how.
We've seen several teachers post threads to this forum asking about it, for use in schools, and we don't seem to follow up with them. So, my feeling is, and I'm not talking 'music' schools so much as I am school music programs, that while many schools may HAVE the program, how many are actually USING it?
Furthermore, what can we do to promote the use of Band In A Box to the music educators in our schools?
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This is a worthy subject.
About ten years ago, I set up BIAB that was bought for one PC in the music lab at the local community college. The rest of the computers in that lab were Macs. That single PC received heavy use once I showed the jazz ensemble director what it could do.
The semester I subbed for him as director, I also used BIAB to make CDs of the chord changes in the tunes we were doing, so the students could practice soloing at home. A few said they would buy the program, but I do not know how many actually did. In those days, $88 would purchase a fully working program for basic comping.
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"..Maybe BIAB is not absolutly perfect for each and every one, its real benefit depend in some way of the user attitude, if you want to learn, practice and make music beyond of simple foolish playing, you will be at home with BIAB...." this was part of my reply in that KVR topic, go there for the rest.
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I have found BIAB in every music school I've visited.
I bet that was on your second visit to those schools. In the first visit you probably directed the teachers gently towards BiaB (with a baseball bat  )
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I tend to agree with Mac that Real Tracks and Real Drums are like clip art. However, I don't agree or think that you could buy the Pro Pak and then work up from there. You *CAN*, but it's akin to saying 'Okay, I'm going to get this art program, and I'll get 5% of the clip art that's available for it, hope it works, and then move up as I need more.' To my way of thinking, that's a way to spend a lot of money and not get what you want.
I still believe that we need more examples of how easy it is to use BIAB, and what it really takes.
That is the way I started with BiaB in 2006. After fidling with the demo I bought the basic package. Then, after using the program for about 6 months I decided I "needed" everything. So I bought the whole shabang.
But if you are only interested in, say, jazzmusic, you don't have to buy all the other styles and just stick with jazz. Most of us will want all of the available styles, RD's and RT's and more. But it is possible to stick with one or two musicstyles...... 
As for the first-time purchaseprice of BiaB I think it is a lot of money to cough up for the everythingPAK. But so is the price one has to pay to get Cubas 5. Both examples are excelent software and absolutely worth their price. Most importand thing to consider is if the product is worth it for YOU as the end-user. If you don't need the full-featured product you have the choise to buy the same product, with a few less options for a lower price. You still have the top-grade software and above that, have the opportunity to upgrade in the future should you wish to do so.
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I even would pay a 20% extra if I could download all the audiophile realtracks.
Yes!!! I allready put this in the wishlist.
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Our school board has several hundred schools and the primary schools music teachers have band in a box. 3 of them play in my brass band and they all admit, they got no support, no training, and don't use it.
One feature needed is a Canadian Folk Music Songbook. We still teach kids the old basic French/English songs and rounds. And the thing needs a simplified instruction manual on how to hook a basic computer to boom box, this, believe me, is beyond most Grade 4 teachers. Too bad, lots of them can sight read Pomp and Circumstance for the trombone, and can't find the back of the computer.
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f it were not for this forum, I would still be lost in my understanding of BIAB. The program falls outside the type of programs most people are used to. With programs like word processors, most people have a basic understanding but with music. With BIAB,one must learn music and the program, that's why i find this forum invaluable. The other thing that is amazing is that this program has many levels of complexity that unfold as the person learns more.
The manual that goes with BIAB is technically good but it only explains the program from the function of the program not from the use of how a song with styles is created and why.
Many times I have felt like Bogart lost in the swamp in the African Queen, not knowing the open water was so close by.
I mention this as a way of showing how daunting the whole thing is for some one trying to go it alone, much like a student or teacher that have other priorities in their lives.
A simple booklet that has detailed instructions on creating a know song by inputing of chords and choosing a style playing the song then changing styles to show the net effect could go a long way in showing the simple use that can be expanded on later of the program.
Many musicians don't realize it but many can not explain to a non musician, what they are doing or why, many because it's a right brain thing much like this program.
I thought I would take the time to explain what I see from an outsiders POV so as to help Peter better market a fine product to a broader audience
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I have found BIAB in every music school I've visited.
I bet that was on your second visit to those schools. In the first visit you probably directed the teachers gently towards BiaB (with a baseball bat )
Quite the contrary. But I'm talking *music* schools, university or college level stuff and in some cases performing arts high schools. These places know and take advantage of the fact that the student often needs a high quality backing band in order to learn. BIAB is the answer.
I'm equally sure that there are schools out there that would have folks up top that are, shall we say, rather "parochia" about it, too, though.
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@ Mac: I was refering to your enthousiastme for BiaB and your dedication to the product (and the forum) more than anything else. A compliment disguised in a joke.
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Well, I probably would have, but my point is that I haven't had to evangelize those schools for pgmusic that much if at all.
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What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!
The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.
The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.
Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 100 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until May 15, 2026. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49.
Holiday Weekend Hours
As we hop into the Easter weekend, here are our holiday hours:
April 3 (Good Friday): 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM PDT
April 4 (Saturday): Closed
April 5 (Easter Sunday): Closed
April 6 (Easter Monday): Open regular hours
Wishing you an egg-cellent weekend!
— Team PG
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