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Hi Peter,
I uninstalled my ESET Antivirus program, performed a full power off for two minutes, and then turned the computer back on with no Internet connection or antivirus software. I tried running BIAB from the USB drive with partial installation (option 1 I believe-20 GB install). I opened the program as Administrator, Windows XP 2 and 3 compatible......no go. I also downloaded the current build from your earlier link. The errors were identical except with different numbers.
Looks like I need to do a non-destructive reinstall of Windows 7. My vendor will supply the disk free of charge. His only warning was the install will be missing about three years of Windows updates. After the reinstall, I'll let the computer download all the updates and install them. That can be done while a sleep. Sound good?
- Lee
Last edited by Lee Batchelor; 05/09/16 10:14 AM.
Gear: Tyros 5, MOX8, SoundCraft EFX12 mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, Yamaha HS-8 monitors, BIAB 2016 UltraPlusPAK, Cubase 8, Steinberg UR-44 interface.
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I was going to mention that you will have an original, not patched, Windows 7 if you get the OEM disk. I suggest that, immediately after installing the 'new' Windows 7, you install your antivirus and activate it. Then go online to get the Windows 7 updates. Otherwise, an un-patched Windows 7 presents a tempting target to all kinds of problems out there.
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Having done this several times, my experience has been that Windows is going to choke on trying to do several years of Windows updates all in one fell swoop.
While it takes tending while you do it (well, you can start the process, then go watch TV for awhile), I've found it works best to go into Windows Update, check about 20 or 30 updates (uncheck the rest), and just update them. Start from the oldest to the newest (you can generally tell by the numbers associated with the update). Once they are finished (which may require interim reboots), then do 20 or 30 more. Wash, rinse, repeat until you are up to date.
I've tried the brute force (just let them all run overnight) to find the next morning that many updates failed and have gotten stuck where it won't update at all.
Your experience may be different, but I've seen this on a couple of different machines I've had to re-install Windows 7 and then update to the latest patch levels.
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Good ideas fellows-thanks. I can display a list of updates and only check off the critical ones for now. The optional ones often cause issues.
I'm still wondering if I'm better to just move to Windows 10. I've heard a few negatives but none from those of us who use music software. Someone mentioned that the faulty files may come along for the ride, however, I don't think it's a file corruption problem. Rather, I think there are missing files.
Anyone care to roll the dice for me? This is getting exhausting, especially while reading through the hardcopy manual about all the really neat things Peter and his team have provided.
Gear: Tyros 5, MOX8, SoundCraft EFX12 mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, Yamaha HS-8 monitors, BIAB 2016 UltraPlusPAK, Cubase 8, Steinberg UR-44 interface.
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Hi Lee,
Sorry to hear that things didn't work out with that fix. Very strange problem, and I cannot recall anyone else with a similar problem like that (though lots of other weird issues over the years - just not that one).
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Lee -
If you have the time, or even care, I would go ahead and get Windows 7 working well. Then take a disk image of you c: drive, so you can always get back to it. Then you should be able to upgrade to Windows 10. Make sure, if you do, that you do the in place upgrade (for the first time). That's what authorizes the free upgrade to Windows 10. Then, after you have upgraded and registered with Microsoft, you can then do a clean install, if you wish. When you register Windows 10 with Microsoft, it will send Microsoft a unique signature for your computer, so as long as you are doing the clean install on that same computer, you shouldn't have any problems re-authorizing it.
But, do what you feel comfortable with.
And good luck! I know it's been frustrating.
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No worries, Peter. I really appreciate your (and everyone's) input. Computers can be elusive devils at times. John, my big fear in doing a non-destructive reinstall on Windows 7 is the unknowns. For example, I have two image backups, but what if I forgot something? Then there's the driver issues. I must make certain they all work. The Windows updates scare the h*** out of me. I can see a lot of issues arising out of that. I would hope an upgrade to Windows 10 would reset registry values so that my programs all work, including BIAB. Learning a new OS is less frightening to me than going through the hoops with a Windows 7 reinstall. At least with my two image files, I can revert to my original computer, albeit without BIAB working. But I need my computer for my profession as well. I work out of my home as a technical writer and technical writing instructor at Humber College Toronto. Sounds like I've made up my mind  .
Last edited by Lee Batchelor; 05/09/16 12:32 PM.
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I have a Samsung USB 3 portable SSD drive I use for backing up and transferring files. Best 4-inch device I know.
John is right about updating. Windows 7 is NOT going to work overnight unassisted and you wake up done. Instead, count on many interruptions as it updates in increments over several days.
I still vote for 10. But what do I know?
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Lee,
If your computer is a desktop...
Am I understanding correctly that you are going to have to install Windows 10 as a completely new installation and not an update?
If this is so...
...why not buy a new hard drive and install Windows 10 onto that. Your current hard drive could then be kept in your machine as a secondary hard drive for additional storage. Hard drives are not that expensive these days.
Doing the above means that you'll be able to access all your current files without having to create back ups, etc. It will also allow you to see what programs you have installed and may wish to reinstall. Lastly, keeping your current installation on a separate drive will give you access to drivers that you presently use should you need them for your new installation.
To install, only have the new drive plugged in initially. When installation is complete, the old drive can then be brought into play.
When you first start up the computer with both hard drives set to go, the computer should sort out which is C: (mine did a couple of months ago when I did the above in going from Vista to Windows 7).
I haven't read through all the posts so I might have missed if this has already been mentioned.
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Interesting idea, Noel. I will be upgrading my Windows 7 to Windows 10 (not a clean install).
So, obviously my Windows 7, and all my programs and documents reside on my C drive at the moment. I have a spare 1 TB drive that could be used for your idea. Would I do a clean Windows 10 install to that drive (not an upgrade)? When I download the Windows 10 updating tool, how do you tell it to install Windows 10 cleanly on the separate drive? I love the idea. That way, I could take my time about the transition. Further details please. And no, this idea has not been put forth, as of yet. Really appreciate it. I'd even be willing to invest in an SSD drive if that would work better. Could I also install my Cubase 8 Artist to the SSD drive, alongside BIAB?
Many thanks.
- Lee
Last edited by Lee Batchelor; 05/10/16 02:09 AM.
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As I understand it, for you to get the free Windows 10 upgrade, you have to first do the upgrade of your current O/S (Win7 or Win8/8.1). After you have successfully done that and registered with Microsoft (so they can capture a digital signature of your system to support future installs), you can then download the ISO for Windows 10 and burn it to DVD, then do a clean upgrade. Since you are registered with Microsoft, you won't have to enter a license code - you're login does that.
I did the upgrade (which worked fine), and I subsequently did a clean install to a blank hard drive, which didn't cause any hiccups with Microsoft. The upgrade was a 7200 RPM hard drive; the clean install was on an SSD, and Microsoft didn't seem to care, so obviously the disk isn't part of the digital signature. I think it actually reads something off your motherboard.
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In all my previous installations, I purchased the Windows DVD and did a clean install onto a new drive. For my latest, though, to take advantage of the free upgrade (which ends in July), I upgraded to 10 over Windows 8.1 on all three PCs. The suggestion by John sounds good, to make a clean install, but if I'm reading it correctly, your Windows 7 drive will also become Windows 10 first. Then you will quickly know if your specific problem has been solved.
By the way, I just reinstalled a Windows 8 OEM PC. The updates took Microsoft several days to complete, on and off; every time I booted, it told me to wait... The upgrades to Windows 10 were all done over a year ago, but as I recall, the whole process was much quicker and done in one shot.
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I did some reading about this and you're 100 percent right. The Windows 10 upgrade must be done first so that all the legal crapola is out of the way. Then a second drive can be introduced. It may be counter productive to keep the Windows 7 OS. I think Noel had a great idea if I found the transition or learning curve a bit steep, but I'm happy to jump in with both feet. My main concern is to make sure I still have Internet, email, and all programs (especially BIAB!) working. I can learn the new OS at my leisure. From what I've read, the transition is generally smooth.
The prospects of downloading and installing four years worth of Windows 7 updates is totally off the table. My vendor said he would need my computer for two or three days to reinstall my Windows 7. I now see why.
Thanks guys!! I can't wait to produce some music and as Peter says, "Have fun!"
- Lee
Gear: Tyros 5, MOX8, SoundCraft EFX12 mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, Yamaha HS-8 monitors, BIAB 2016 UltraPlusPAK, Cubase 8, Steinberg UR-44 interface.
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Good luck with it. As I mentioned before, if you go with Windows 10, remember that you can get back your Windows 7-style start menu (Matt Finley and I both do that, although we use different products). I use Stardock Start10 ($5, but I also use several other Stardock products, so I actually have their Object Desktop bundle). I believe Matt uses Classic Shell.
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Yes, I tried both of those with Windows 8 and also settled on Stardock 8. But with Windows 10, a version of the Start Menu is back and I don't use any add-on. One reason is that I am called upon to fix others' PCs and I like to work without needing to install extras.
Also, in 10 there is a lot less fishing around for things just off the screen, which was very annoying in 8. 10 is easy enough by itself.
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One long shot to try. Rename bbw.exe to something else like bbw_test.exe and then run that. That might fool an antivirus and also avoids something called the .manifest file.
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Well guys, here I am talking to you from my new Windows 10 platform. Nice looking OS, however, I have the same issue!!! Peter, I tried your suggestion, but it failed.
I'm at a total loss. Peter, can your senior guys dial into my computer and take a run at this damn error. The error is the same but I believe the numbers are different. I've tried updating the UR44 sound interface driver and it says I have the latest version. I even tried XP mode.
I also ran the Compatibility troubleshooter and it said the program was incompatible???
Where to next, fellows??
Gear: Tyros 5, MOX8, SoundCraft EFX12 mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, Yamaha HS-8 monitors, BIAB 2016 UltraPlusPAK, Cubase 8, Steinberg UR-44 interface.
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Does RealBand run? c:\realband folder if you've installed it. Otherwise its on the USB harddrive (look for realband.exe)
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Hi Peter,
I open Real Band and the chord area is displayed, but then I get an error that reads, "List index of bounds (88)". After that I can set the ASIO drivers but a box appears that says PG PeakLimit. It's one half filled with a blue bar and the Cancel button doesn't work. When I close the program, I get a warning about the program crashing and another access violation error.
I'm running BIAB right from the USB drive. I figure there's no sense installing anything until we get Mr. Gates out of the equation.
Ideas??
One other thing, I installed version 433 to the USB drive. Hope that was correct.
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I see where Lee mentioned in one of the first threads (but didn't catch it until now) he was using Superantispyware and Malwarebytes in addition to ESET. I didn't catch the Supreantispyware. I know others who use Malwarebytes with ESET and have no issues. I don't know if Superantispyware is compatible with ESET. ESET offers removal tools for several other antispyware products, but Superantispyware is not listed. It appears Superantispyware is a Shareware program. Perhaps you can obtain a removal tool from Superantispyware for their product and see if that makes a difference.
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