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I want to thank you all for access to all your experience and knowledge. This is my problem. I have been using BIB and like it very much and I like to export the waves into reaper. This has been working fine.
For some reason, and I may have inadvertently changed some setting, now when I try to export the 8 bar chorus as I have alway done in the past, to individual wave files, the export process starts and never ends and when I interrupt the process, the export file is several gigs large....
The process has been successful and now it isn't....
I have tried fooling with various settings but I am not sure where to start.
Could it have anything to do with mixing midi and real tracks?
I like Reaper because I can import several tracks at once.
Thanks in advance for any ideas.
Tbudw
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I don't know Reaper so I can't help with your question. Whenever someone posts that something used to work and now it doesn't, it leads to the follow-up question: what changed?
Have you updated Windows, Reaper, or BIAB?
Have you contacted PG Music Support to ask this? Have you posted on a Reaper user forum, assuming there is one?
Could you please supply some detail: what version of BIAB, what version of Windows, and anything relevant about Reaper.
I'm assuming Reaper must handle MIDI. If it doesn't, then your speculation makes sense. It would be easy to test that by trying an all Real-Tracks BIAB song.
Good luck!
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Tbudw, Some questions to help the forum get an insight into your system and that might help you solve the problem... 1. What version of BIAB do you have? (for example Windows version 2013) 2. Has anything changed with you computer system recently? (for example have you recently changed computers, operating system, soundcard, antivirus software, etc. 3. Have you installed the latest update for the program found at the link below? http://www.pgmusic.com/support.htm4. Have you tried resetting to factory defaults? Reset is found under the Opt menu and is a good place to start. It will reset your audio/midi setup so it might pay to take a screen shot of that before you reset (or save the configuration file if you have a later version of BIAB). This is always a good place to begin solving problems. Exit and restart BIAB after resetting so that the changes can take effect. 5. Does this happen with every song or one song in particular? 6. Have you checked to see if a chord might have accidentally been added to the last bar? 7. How many choruses is your song set to? Try changing this to "1" and see if it makes a difference. Hope one of these suggestions helps. Noel P.S. I use Reaper and it works fine with BIAB.
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Thanks for the response.
I am running a dell tower with dual processor 64x, 16G Ram, Windows 10. Everything was working fine. Reaper works great together because I can import all the waves at one shot.
Answer to your questions:
1. Earlier this year I installed BIAB 2016 32x and all was well. Updates are current as of today with 431 I think.
2. No recent hardware changes.
3. See number 1
4. I have not tried resetting to factory defaults but will give it a shot.
5. This is the stumper, does not occur with every song.
6. No hanging chords (or chads)
7. Chorus replays set to 1.
Hope this helps.
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tbudw
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I probably misstated the problem. The problem is not with Reaper. The problem is getting the export function to export the individual tracks as waves.
I have plenty of horsepower with dell tower 64x, windows 10, BIAB 2016 x32 updated today.
I haven't tried support yet because usually the first question is have you tried the forums.
The problem does not occur with every song. I am wondering if DXi is installed correctly. I might need to go thru that again as I get a "no DXi installed" message when trying to set the DXi up. However, I installed all six dvds directly to the hard drive. I still get that message about coyote. Play back is fine.
The song has a mixture of real tracks and midi. The program is very handy for designing harmonies for vocals. That's another story.
Let me know if you come up. I will contact support as well. I like BIAB for arranging songs and building vocal parts as well. But it is useless to me if I can't get the wave export function back.
Thanks
Tbudw
Thanks for the quick response.
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Given that it doesn't happen with every file, it sounds like there is something different in relation to the files and their creation.
Some more questions...
1. Do you use externally created midi from the internet when creating a chord sheet?
2. Do you use ACW (Audio Chord Wizard) to get chords from audio files when creating your chord sheet?
3. If neither of the above, please briefly explain how you create a chord sheet.
4. When you save to WAV have you deactivated the "2 second delay at end" that's found under the "Audio | Render to stereo WAV" options. Doing this has been known to create long audio files occasionally (depending on soundcard).
Something to try...
Select "New" from the File menu. This will load a new worksheet with default settings. This is useful in case the existing worksheet has some form of setting present that you don't know about.
Create an 8 bar, 1 chorus song. Generate and render to wav. What was the outcome?
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I can't export wav files using the export button either. That process just stalls. I can, however, in PLUGIN mode drag the individual wav files (real drums etc) into REAPER with no hassles at all. Can't do it with Midi files - they don't convert to .wav.
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Ray,
Do you have Coyote WT VST/DXi synth operating or do you used some other software synth?
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Thanks for the response.
I am running a dell tower with dual processor 64x, 16G Ram, Windows 10. Everything was working fine. Reaper works great together because I can import all the waves at one shot.
Answer to your questions:
1. Earlier this year I installed BIAB 2016 32x and all was well. Updates are current as of today with 431 I think.
2. No recent hardware changes.
3. See number 1
4. I have not tried resetting to factory defaults but will give it a shot.
5. This is the stumper, does not occur with every song.
6. No hanging chords (or chads)
7. Chorus replays set to 1.
Hope this helps.
Thanks
tbudw
tbudw, Try updating to build 432.
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Thanks Jim,
That completely slipped past me! That's the beauty of a forum like this, what one person misses another can slip in and help out.
I notice the build 433 is now released, too.
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Noel
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Noel69,
I don't use any software synths. I'll have a look tomorrow to see if Coyote is on the machine. I do know I didn't install it specifically though it may be on the drive as part of a package.
I'll get back to you.
Cheers
rayc
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Ray, That could be the problem. Enter into the preferences and then click on the Midi Driver button. When in these settings, double-check that settings marked yellow below are set the same on your computer.  Regards, Noel
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This might be a long shot, but try this:
1: Open the BiaB song in Real Band
2: Save the song (still as a BiaB song) with a different name.
3: Then open the newly saved song in BiaB and try the export to Wav again.
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Dear Noel96,
I followed your instructions BUT was stymied by the fact that I don't have CoyoteWT or any VST/DXi Syt=nth Settings. I found a VSC/DXi but that didn't work. The system stalled and I could go no further and am, sadly, that dialogue said I will not be able to play any midi until I have a prog it recognises..
Can/should I download CoyoteWT? Would it be on the installation disc for BIAB?
Any thoughts on the next step.
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Ray, Coyote WT comes with Band In A Box. The first thing is to check if you can load Coyote WT. To do this... 1. Enter into Preferences by clicking on the "Prefs" button or "Options | Preferences". 2. Click on the "MIDI Driver" button. 3. Set #1 (MS Wavetable) and #2 (General Midi) as shown on the image below. 4. Activate the two checkboxes I've labelled #3. 5. Click on the button #4 and have a look to see if CoyoteWT is available in the list. If it is, select it and click on OK to exit the setup. All is now ready to go.  If Coyote WT is not available in the list of synths, then it can be installed under the "Help" menu. Simply follow the 1, 2, 3 below to install. Once that's done, repeat steps 1 - 5 above.  Regards, Noel
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Dear Noel,
thank you very much. The screen shots make life so much easier. It Sunday evening in my neck of the woods so I will attempt the changes (with the installation disc in the drive just in case) after work tomorrow.
Thanks in anticipation of an easy resolution.
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rayc
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Ray, Sunday evening here too! I'm just a little south of you in Melbourne  We're getting quite and Australian collection here on the forums! All the best, Noel
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Noel,
I tried the new steps and was, again, unsuccessful. The only change I didn't make was that I use ASIO & need to keep that constant as, I assume, it'll be an issue when using plugin mode to drag Realtracks into Reaper. I managed to find Coyote etc & almost everything was AOK. When I try to play RealDrums over an imported audio file I only get the count in and then nothing. When I drop RealStyles over the file I get the drums but, naturally enough, the style does mean that there's a lot going on and it's difficult to hear what I need. Is there any way of disengaging Styles or components of styles so that I can hear just drums?
I don't know about South of Melbourne but here, south of Sydney the mornings & nights are cold and the day is only pleasant if out of the shade or wind.
Cheers
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Ray,
If you have BIAB set to use an ASIO driver, that is most likely what is causing your problem. ASIO drivers aren't always friendly with audio applications. (I'm presently trying to solve an ASIO issue with a new driver for my soundcard and Reaper.)
Back to your problem...
Change you BIAB audio driver to MME and see if that makes a difference. There is no issue with having BIAB set to use MME and Reaper set to use ASIO. That's my standard setup.
To change BIAB's driver, select "Options | Preferences | Audio" and then select MME for the "Audio Driver Type".
Let us know how you go.
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Noel96,
without you I'd have no clue & the alphabet'd be 1 less.
Since you're using the same basic duality as me I'll change the driver tomorrow (weekend yeah!).
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rayc
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