|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,992
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,992 |
mac/sam.
cheers n god bless.
let me comment on 1 bpm differences.
mebe i'm being silly but for me personally sometimes
even at higher bpm's some things just have a "feel".
its difficult to explain.
for example a few weeks back i was doing something
at if i remember 125 bpm.
tried 124 and 126 , but just didnt feel right for some reason.
i "know" it sounds weird.
mebe us english blokes are just daft that way.
in our genes ..lol.
next year i'm visiting my mum in the uk.
(amazeing woman..was a mezzo. as of 2 years ago still could hit the high
notes at 88 !! blew everyone away on her b'day.)
so i'll ask her bout my genes.
my dad was a jazzer. incredible jazz drummer.
he used to say....
"blinkin youngsters today dont know how to use brushes"..lol.
years back he would yell at drummers i knew at the time.
bout treating drumming with lots more subtlety.
rather than whacking n splashing out all over the place.
he was of the opinion that a good drummer should know when to lay back
and then to know when to come forward in the spaces etc etc.
its all good mates.
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,217 |
.
>>>...MAC: Playing in tempo and playing behind the beat are two entirely different things. If someone is playing behind the beat, I still need for them to be in Tempo...>>>>
FF: I dont see how this is posiible. If the drummer is behind the beat, wont that have all the other players to get slower and slower? I mean I know this is something drummers can do. I am still unclear on the concept.
Are there any Realdrums that are played this way? What if I set "track offset" for drums to -12? Are there any songs I should listen to that feature this kind of playing?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
Confusion seems to abound.
"Behind the Beat" is an expression used to describe a certain style of playing, typically used by jazz, blues or swing players.
Also is typically done only by the soloist at the time, while the rhythm section continues to hit "dead on" or pretty much so.
What it means is that the beat happens, then you play, typically anywhere from about 11 to 25 ticks AFTER the beat. EVERY TIME.
This yields that "laid back" feel to solo improvisation and is very important for the styles involved.
However, it does not mean that the player is changing the Tempo at all.
Just means that the player is a few milliSeconds "behind" the Tempo -- by about the same amount of time, every time.
Drummers typically don't play behind the beat... (But as with all things music, there can be exceptions to that rule.) Even if the drummer is intentionally playing behind the beat, the beat still goes on and the drummer still comes out within a few milliSeconds of the beat. Just like anyone else would.
BIAB MIDI soloist often takes advantage of this, intentionally. Makes the jazz solo sound more human.
On the other hand, Classical players typically stay right on the beat. Some even play a few milliSecs AHEAD of the beat. Again, it is the same Tempo, though. Notes are just *anticipated* rather than "laid back".
If you don't want it to sound like its swinging at all, no matter the note choices, just place them all dead on the beat, or anticipate the beat by placing them slightly ahead of the beat. If you want it to swing, place them a tad bit AFTER each beat. This can be demonstrated by simply highlighting and timeshifting a track a few ticks in either direction, left for ahead and right for behind. Notice that ALL NOTES MAINTAIN THE SAME TIME RELATIONSHIP to each other AND the Tempo beat when this is done.
The hard part is to learn, as a musician, how to play these things in realtime.
I used to experience a brainshift sort of thing back in the days when I was doing a lot of playing and studio work. If I was doing symphony work in the afternoon, thus playing right on the beat or anticipating, the shift over to the evening/night gig where it was time to play behind the beat sometimes took a bit of time to attain, with attention to the matter. As with all things music, with practice it became something that can be called up at will now. If you pay attention to it in the first place, that is.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,738
Posts795,599
Members39,946
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean