|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,608
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,608 |
The capability is already there for diminished triads. I've experimented with "edit - jazz down" and "edit - jazz up" and found that the dim triads will play under jazz down. I used the jazz modern trio style and you can hear, particularly in the bass line, that in the jazz down mode the dim 7th is not played. Switch to jazz up and the dim 7th is played. Later, Ray
Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 7
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 7 |
That doesn't seem to work for me. I tried your suggestion using the style "J_MODTRI" with the following progressions:
CMaj7 | Bdim | Cmaj7 | Bdim |
"Jazz it down" results in the chord progression:
C | Bdim | C | Bdim |
and the Bdim still plays the dim7th G# (Abb)
Then I tried:
CMaj7 | Bm7b5 | Cmaj7 | Bm7b5 |
"Jazz it down" results in the chord progression:
C | Bm7b5 | C | Bm7b5 |
and the Bm7b5 still plays the 7th A
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,608
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,608 |
Don't know what to say except that it works for me. Being a jazz pianist however, I rarely play a straight dim chord, not without some alterations. Later, Ray
Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 207
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 207 |
I don't understand the problem. I use diminished chords all the time, and they work just fine. Just type in dim or o as shorthand.
Mike Laatz
Cape Town
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 7
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 7 |
Mike
When you type in dim or o as shorthand, you get Dim7th 1-b3-b5-bb7 chords not Dim Triads 1-b3-b5.
What we're asking for is support for diminished triads.
BIAB supports all the other triads apart from diminished.
Pop, gospel and classical music often use the basic diminished triad without the 7th.
This might not be important to you if you only play jazz as jazz generally extends the chords to include the 7ths, 9th etc.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5 |
Nice to have more choices !
PhL
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 142
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 142 |
Another vote for the diminished triad here.
The harder I work the luckier I get.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,349
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,349 |
Yes please. I'd like to see a diminished triad too. It's chord II in minor keys and equally important as chord II in major keys.
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38 |
Quote:
Yes, this is a glaring omission. Please correct. BTW, there is yet another triad, the suspended 2nd; 1-2-5. I think this one is supported.
The suspended 2nd 'triad' of which you wrote is actually a major triad with an added 9th - it is entered normally as "C2", "D2", etc., and includes the maor third. In the best of nomenclature it is abbreviated C(9), D(9), etc., respectively.
Greetings in the Resurrected Christ from the resurrected angel of Exodus 23:20.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38 |
Quote:
Yes, support for dim triads would be good. Others on this thread have suggested ways to implement.
Also, support for "add" chords, such as add9 or add13.
Thanks for the consideration.
There is support for C(9) and C(13) already.
Greetings in the Resurrected Christ from the resurrected angel of Exodus 23:20.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
Quote:
The suspended 2nd 'triad' of which you wrote is actually a major triad with an added 9th - it is entered normally as "C2", "D2", etc., and includes the maor third. In the best of nomenclature it is abbreviated C(9), D(9), etc., respectively.
The 9 should also include the dominant 7th.
The 2 chord should not.
Whether of not you get a third with the 2 chord is a function of the chosen Style because of the patterns and mapping inside the style file.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38 |
Quote:
Quote:
The suspended 2nd 'triad' of which you wrote is actually a major triad with an added 9th - it is entered normally as "C2", "D2", etc., and includes the maor third. In the best of nomenclature it is abbreviated C(9), D(9), etc., respectively.
The 9 should also include the dominant 7th.
The 2 chord should not.
Whether of not you get a third with the 2 chord is a function of the chosen Style because of the patterns and mapping inside the style file.
--Mac
Not if it is an added 9th to the triad.
Greetings in the Resurrected Christ from the resurrected angel of Exodus 23:20.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
Then it should be notated as "Cadd9" not "C9".
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,275
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,275 |
I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t a C2 chord consist of the notes C-E-G-D in any order (or inversion), i.e. C-D-E-G, E-D-G-C, etc?
Doesn’t a Csus2 chord consist of the notes C-D-G in any order?
Doesn’t a C9 chord consist of the notes C-E-G-Bb-D in any order?
Isn’t a Cadd9 the same as a C2?
Isn’t a Csus9 the same as a Csus2?
Principal: Your child always causes trouble in school.
Me: My child causes trouble at home, do I ever call you?
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38 |
Quote:
Then it should be notated as "Cadd9" not "C9".
The parentheses indicates it is added, though this usage is not supported by Brandt and Roehmer.
Greetings in the Resurrected Christ from the resurrected angel of Exodus 23:20.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 38 |
Quote:
I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t a C2 chord consist of the notes C-E-G-D in any order (or inversion), i.e. C-D-E-G, E-D-G-C, etc?
Doesn’t a Csus2 chord consist of the notes C-D-G in any order?
Doesn’t a C9 chord consist of the notes C-E-G-Bb-D in any order?
Isn’t a Cadd9 the same as a C2?
Isn’t a Csus9 the same as a Csus2?
C2 in its simplest form relates "C and D" only, as an interval, which is still a chord. C2 as a triad with the "2" substituting for the third is the same as Gsus4, so in this regard "C2" is unnecessary. C2 as a triad with the third is the same as a C triad with an added 9th, C(9). Tertian harmony shows stacked thirds, used extensively for many hundreds of years, as a basis for chord building. The most popular form of chord suffixes for many years has included an array of inconsistencies that serve more to perplex than to concisely notate up to and including the 13th. Use of parentheses only for added notes, the accidentals only for roots, and the use of only "+" and "-" for alterations greatly provides a much clearer picture of the exactness with which the most complex chords can be abbreviated. The order of the notes may vary but are taught for clarity in the logical series "1,3,5,7,9,11,13". You are correct in the spelling of the C9, more specifically, the C dominant 9th chord. The use of "sus" is only necessary for the "sus4" chords, and thus, can be abbreviated to "4". So a "Csus9" could more easily be written and read with an indicated "C" and a "9" placed over a "4", both numbers being positioned equally above and below the mid axis of the root. The spelling is C,F,G,Bb,D.
Greetings in the Resurrected Christ from the resurrected angel of Exodus 23:20.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
The problem here, I think, is that there is really no one standard for fake chord notation.
As testified by many differing offerings from the various publishers of sheet musics etc.
I like to go with something my old teacher used to preach: "Try to make it an easy read and the musicians will love your arrangements." -- Sometimes that may mean adopting geographic conventions, too. For example, "West Coast" notation typically does things a bit differently from East Coast here in the states. Or the use of the Pipe | chord to depict stacked triads is a convention for some, but I've met others who simply just stared at the page as if it was in a foreign language.
As far as PGMusic products go, I would also like to see the programs able to handle different fake chord notations reliably and as all-inclusive as possible.
I'd also like to be able to add "custom" inputs to the chordlist, that may be the best answer for all concerned.
--Mac
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 17
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 17 |
Diminished triads are common in certain styles, and need to be supported. BIAB is not a complete program without them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,275
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 5,275 |
This thread should not fall into oblivion. There are a few issues that are pretty important to the community that did not receive appropriate attention by the program designers to date. Diminished triads sure are essential, as is notation support for compound time signatures.
Martin
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716 |
Agreed... There's a workaround solution, involving copying a style, muting or reimporting all the macro based patterns then dropping the 7th from all the patterns using the velocity command, ...
....but who on earth wants to do all that, and change styles at the appropriate point in a song just to acommodate one chord that ought to be supported anyway?
You shouldn't need to.
Regards
Alan
Last edited by alan S.; 12/06/09 05:39 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,723
Posts795,283
Members39,938
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean