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Jim. Maybe you are referring to the true story of Florence Foster Jenkins? I saw the movie with Meryl Streep in the lead. The best line was at the end when she was dying she said something like "they may say that I couldn't sing but they will never say that I DIDN'T sing".
Excellent quote, Joanne! And I think it serves the original point very well. If somebody WANTS to write songs, they should do so for their own reasons rather than quit for other peoples' reasons. But obviously, any goal can be hard to sustain without encouragement. The easiest way to get encouragement is by posting your music here on the user showcase. There can be a wide range of criticism on some music forums, but this one is full of people who tend to speak about what they like more than about what they don't like.
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Jim. Maybe you are referring to the true story of Florence Foster Jenkins? I saw the movie with Meryl Streep in the lead. The best line was at the end when she was dying she said something like "they may say that I couldn't sing but they will never say that I DIDN'T sing".
Excellent quote, Joanne! And I think it serves the original point very well. If somebody WANTS to write songs, they should do so for their own reasons rather than quit for other peoples' reasons. But obviously, any goal can be hard to sustain without encouragement. The easiest way to get encouragement is by posting your music here on the user showcase. There can be a wide range of criticism on some music forums, but this one is full of people who tend to speak about what they like more than about what they don't like. So true. It's the incredibly fortunate person who gets encouragement from family and friends... I'm blessed to have an encouraging spouse.
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Huh. Just stumbled on this thread.
Encouragement. Whenever I do something I think sounds great. That's encouragement. And my standards keep rising.
But ... from other people, yes, we do like people to enjoy our work as well. My wife is passively discouraging while verbally in a "that's nice that you like to do that, dear" encouraging. Actually her reflexive criticisms, while they hurt at the time, made me try harder. She wasn't wrong about a lot of it. She's the person I would like to like it the most, but ... I've resigned myself to the fact that's not gonna happen. She does say I've gotten a lot better. But I never get asked to play anything. Not even the one I wrote for her.
I get some encouragement from friends who see my videos I post links to on facebook, and over the years I have gotten some nice comments from random YouTube users. Oddly the video that's gotten FAR more hits than any other by a couple orders of magnitude is an old bad recording of me covering Bob Seeger's "Beautiful Loser". No idea why. I mean, it was the best I could do at the time, and I'm flattered, but it kind of baffles me. (Ok, I lied. "The Spirit is a Movin'", from the same era, has more).
Probably the most encouragement I've gotten was an old college friend who has been my biggest cheerleader from the start and continues to do it. One might say if not for her, I wouldn't be here on this forum, and "Alive" would never have happened.
She introduced me to Brad Fitch, through whom I met Bob Buford here, who introduced me to Band in a Box and pushed me into better production. He also pushed me into concentrating more on singing, which it turns out I like doing a lot more than I thought I would.
Which all means I can make more stuff I think sounds great.
Which is encouraging.
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I guess I'm just temperamentally a glass-half-full kind of guy. Since the advent of the internet-indie scene, I've had at least one track top 1000 listens. I suppose every other track taken together have garnered maybe 3000 more. If all those listens were individuals, I filled a hall.
On top of that, I've gotten hundreds of comments--quite a few of them seemed genuine. And I've also gotten to work with superior musicians on song-writing collaborations that I would have had no chance to do in the "real world".
I might trade that for the talent, chops, guts, and drive to play live. But every time I've picked up a guitar (and before that, a uke) to "practice", it has turned into at least an earnest attempt to write a song. That's what gets my mojo rising.
Me and a guitar on a small stage has worked the few times I've done it, but if I was waiting for the next stage to do the same thing--it'd be a loooong wait. Besides, they were there to be entertained and people really don't like to NOT like your act. Family and friends are not there to be entertained and they really don't want to be put in the position of having to "like" your act.
Since, however, I'm not a particularly good singer it takes a more specialized "audience" to appreciate what I do. Few of my family or friends are that "audience". Really ,none are consistently.
When people "get over" the vocals of a Bob Dylan, or Kristofferson, or Johnny Cash then they can appreciate what those guys do. For each of them, it took somebody else to be their "special audience" first. There aren't any music columnists writing about Farfetched Tangmo Band and why anybody should listen.
Whatever the degree of "polish" any of my songs may have, I'm still writing Demos. That's my limitation. Nobody can do it all in music (except maybe Paul McCartney).
Before music was recorded, it was all played live. And most of that in small venues or on the front porch of the cave. That's the internet indie scene, and that's cool with me.
Is that encouraging?
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If that wasn't, how 'bout this? If I could sing like you, I'd probably not to do much of anything else.
What you do, do as unto the Lord...
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