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Where's WIN7?
Given that vista and *win7 use the same underlying kernel I would expect vista drivers to work in win7. The only vista drivers you may have problems with are the ones that vista had trouble with too. This is a result of the huge number of changes m$ made to driver specs. for vista during the pre-release lead up.
*Despite claims to the contrary, win7 is little more than an efficiency tweak of vista - pretty much what vista should have been when it shipped. Kinda like vista SP 2.5...
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For anyone trying to contact M-Audio technical support - let me know if you actually get through. I can't. I set up an account years ago and of course forgot my password.
Password resets are so buggy, that M-Audio has a page on what to do when you get a buggy password reset: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=00bf1e831cad948bf1068450d9374f3e
Problem is - that process doesn't work either.
Right now, I'm support-less with my M-Audio products (Fast Track and Oxygen 49)
I have found the M-Audio forum pretty good acutally: M-Audio Forum
They also have done a good job with Win7 drivers in general. Older gear is what is falling off the map. I do happen to have my password to the forum, if there is something specific you want to know I can look it up or post a question. Otherwise, can't you simply set up a new account??
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I don't have it and I don't know that I will buy it, but the Zoom R16 looks really cool: USB 2 audio interface, controller, AND 8-input recorder. You can plug it in your computer as an interface and even control your DAW software (if it's compatible). Or you can take it on the road. It really does everything that you could want. Now, how well it works, I don't know...and it's also twice the $200 that you wanted to spend. http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=2009
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Dan,
That Zoom unit does look cool, but that's way beyond my humble needs. Maybe even something as basic as the m-audio Fast Track would do, though the Fast Track Pro does provide midi input, option for 2 mics, more output options, etc. Mostly what I would do is play BIAB or other audio files thru the computer, while playing along/practicing the guitar. If I can be loud, just playing thru the guitar amp is fine. But at night I need to be quiet - which is where the ability to monitor with headphones would be really nice. I've been doing this by plugging the amp into a mixer, along with the computer audio output. It would just be nice to have a single unit that could do all of this. If there are some decent software guitar effects included, I wouldn't even have to bother with the amp. Again, thanks for everyone's input.
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Plug your amp into the US-122 and away you go!
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Thanks again. Mac, you'd commented that usb limited you to one stereo channel - what about a device like this m-audio Fast Track Ultra
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/FastTrackUltra.html
Couldn't this record to more than one track at once? Or would all those inputs just be recorded to a single stereo track? Maybe I'm missing the boat on all of this? I don't really have the need for all this input, but I'm just curious and think maybe I'm just not getting it. Or are you saying that usb just doesn't provide enough throughput to reliably perform with a device like this - resulting in drop outs or "pops", crashing your system, or some other such catastrophe?
Don't mean to be a pest about this, but like I said, I'd just like to feel like I understand this.
thanks again,
Bruce
Ignore Sam. Hasn't a clue. He's apparently too busy typing replies to be bothered with going to the website and consulting their manual. Looks like a desirable piece to me.
YES, the Ultra has 8 available inputs if you count the two digital inputs, which all manufacturers do.
Realworld, you could connect up to four Mics and two Lines or use some of the four mic inputs as Line Inputs also, say, two Mics and four line inputs. Plus MIDI at the same time.
What you should be aware of is that this is very likely only to work a the lower bitrates, like 44.1 or 48, USB 2.0 may be fast, but it is not going to handle the bandwidth of six 96khz channels of input all at once. Check the manual, likely is the case that input count goes down at higher rates. But this is certainly not a kill, for recording at 16/44.1 is a very good idea anyway, since that is what CDs are burned at.
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This is getting enjoyable. Can we duel at 10 paces with hardware? Never count out the Brits in a duel/war. ON guard!
This likes me well. These foils have all a length?..
Whoops, Hamlet just invaded my grey matter. Or in the US it's gray. Of course I played Hamlet...in the 13th grade at the school play... in 196..never mind.
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YES, the Ultra has 8 available inputs if you count the two digital inputs, which all manufacturers do.
Realworld, you could connect up to four Mics and two Lines or use some of the four mic inputs as Line Inputs also, say, two Mics and four line inputs. Plus MIDI at the same time.
What you should be aware of is that this is very likely only to work a the lower bitrates, like 44.1 or 48, USB 2.0 may be fast, but it is not going to handle the bandwidth of six 96khz channels of input all at once. Check the manual, likely is the case that input count goes down at higher rates. But this is certainly not a kill, for recording at 16/44.1 is a very good idea anyway, since that is what CDs are burned at.
--Mac
That clears up part of my puzzlement... it sounds like the throughput of this audio data could be too much.
I think the other part of my misunderstanding deals with the "counting the two digital inputs, which all manufacturers do." For this Ultra unit, would ALL of these four mics be recorded to ONE stereo channel in Real Band? or would one be able to assign two of them to track A (L & R) and the other two to track B (L & R)? If you then added two more line inputs, could these then be assigned to track C (L & R), or would ALL of these various inputs all have to go to the same track?
In the instance of the Fast Track Pro, would I be able to use 2 mics (to the same track, L & R) AND also use the two line inputs (to another track), or would ALL the inputs just go to one stereo track?
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LOL, btw, the other guy cut my hand during the foil / sword fight during Hamlet and it got all over my white puffy 'blouse', and dripped down my arm, and everyone thought it was a cool effect. Good thing it was the last performance, needed 12 stitches later.
Great memories, I should post some pics of that performance from the yearbook on my website. The football team QB was Hamlet until the week before when they ditched him and put me in. Huge fight amongst the non nerds. I was the AV/tech for Physics total nerd, who setup the labs for physics, and passed the Senior physics 3 years to soon. I remember we had a 10 foot slide rule on the wall that worked.
Long time ago....
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Here in the States, we had an 11 foot slide rule.
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That's just bad. LOL.
Sure dates us.. the big slide rule in the class room.
i tried to explain that to my 22 year old son who does not believe me. A computer on the wall....
It think it was 2 metres. LOL.
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Help! I think my questions from 5:28 PM got lost amidst foiling and slide ruling. I also have an engineering degree and once learned to use a slide rule years ago...
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An engineer should be able to spec their own sound device.
I'm an engineer also. EE
One more question and I'm going to have to bill you for the referral.
Because an engineer should be able to spec their own sound device.
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PGMusic forum member "Seamus" posted this great tip for using USB Audio Devices with Windows this morning. I thought it apropos to cut and paste it here: Quote:
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I use the same device. Aside from one little issue a while back, it has been set it and forget it. I use it as my standard soundcard, and can plug the guitar in any time. Have also used the mic.
Someone asked about USB. The m-audio website documents a little fix which cured an issue for me. A problem with USB ports - perhaps the problem - is that powersaving is turned on by default. This means that some committe at Microsoft came to a decision about saving the .01 miliamps of power to the USB port when "no activity" is taking place - based upon some stupid algorythm. Long story short, it would work fine then it would disappear. After I learned how to disable power-saving for the particular USB port always connected to the black box - i've never had a problem with it.
Google m-audio black box USB and it should take you there.
OK here is the link:
http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=6a9f49d7baa4fcc087d25acbdd34f27f
Problems with USB devices - USB Root Hub Power Management problems (XP)
Q: My M-Audio USB Audio- or MIDI interface fails to install, doesn't work after installation, or drops out of the system every now and then. What could be the cause of this?
A: A common reason for such problems is the Power Management function of the USB Root Hub. Under Windows XP, disabling the Power Management for all USB Root Hubs in your system should resolve this problem:
1. Open the Device Manager (Start-> right click on "My Computer", click on "Properties" -> Hardware -> Device Manager)
2. Look under the category Universal Serial Bus controllers and find the USB Root Hub.
3. Right click and select Properties, go to the Power Management tab
4. Uncheck the box "Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power." and click "OK".
Repeat this for each of the USB Root Hubs shown in the Device Manager.
Hotlink to the actual post (with live hotlinks to the references) here:
http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD
Cut and paste the directions to a file stored on your computer for later reference and use.
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Mac,
Thanks for all the helpful input - I think this will really help getting one of these usb devices to work without hopefully chucking the whole thing. The warning about power management is greatly appreciated. I searched these forums, but think I only went back 1-2 years, so didn't find that.
I have a degree in engineering (chemical), but have never actually been an engineer. Seems kind of funny to consider that, but I doubt I'm the only person who ended up in some field outside their undergraduate degree.
I'm also certainly no computer guru. Again, appreciate your input.
Bruce
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My undergraduate degree was a BSc Hons in Business Computing Systems and I am not working in that field but I am in Business, I use Computing and PG software is one hell of a system, as far as I am concerned.
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I got her Phd. In general life. My wife is amazed at the cr** I know. The P stands for Piled. the h for high. And the d is for deep.
I did get one of my polished silver medals with my name on the rim from Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth. She couldn't make it in person so I got to go meet her Canadian representative at Rideau Hall. They have nice hors d'oevres, and wine was nice. I got that for being a good boy for 20 years, never got in trouble once. I think the next time she comes to Canada she should drop by and suck some maple syrup with the family and I and she could polish the medal.
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