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#45356 11/29/09 09:19 AM
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is there anybody that can help me to solve this simple problem?
I've re written a song ( standard jazz 4/4 ) In C
in one bar there are 1/8 four notes
and the last 2 notes 4/4 "are tied" with slur
in how can I do the slur ?
it seems a very hard problem ....
I've tried in a lot of ways but I didn't solve anything ...

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MIDI samplers don't slur.

That is because the Attack of the ADSR is part of the sample.

If it is a wind instrument being emulated, then each note is likely to be tongued to some degree or other and having two note-ons in a row means two tongued events, one for each note.

Sometimes we can "blur" that in playback by using a simple MIDIOT trick: Enter the two quarter note quavers first, then RightClick on the first one in the BIAB Notation Edit mode and manually extend the Duration value of that note such that it plays into the next note a bit. Experiment with that value until you've blurred the attack of the second note as best as you can. Different MIDI synths, as well as different patches, can respond differently to this trick, some work better than others. None can actually duplicate the slur. Use of the Pitch Wheel CC is sometimes recommended by some MIDIOTs, I personally caution on that one, for it usually sounds worse than just leaving it tongued for both notes and overlapping, especially to the wind instrument player. That is because when we slur, we don't also portamento (grin). That would be notated as a slide.

As far as having the Slur on the notation printing, BB for Mac doesn't support that yet, but the Windows version has an option. It only prints the slur on the page, it doesn't do anything to change the sound of the thing at playback. TIP: If making a chart for other musicians to read, you can simply print out the page, then draw in the slur(s) where desired with a pencil or pen and make a photocopy of the printout. Doesn't look too bad and is a good workaround that avoids the expense of buying a fullblown Notation Software.


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as you can see ( from the numbers of msg) "I am an absolute beginners of Biab ... "
so let me know if I' ve understood correctly :

in a very simple melody ( in 4/4) written in Biab I can't "tie" two notes 1/4 value ?

why can I tie two notes i.e. in the same bar automatically ... two notes one 1/8 and one 1/4 ?

why can I tie 2 notes one in a bar and the other in the follow bar?
many thanks
p.s. my purpose is to study the song with chords and melody 'cause I'm vocalist

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Oh, I see what you're after.

Well, the "Automatic Note Entry" design of the program, which is excellently fast way of entering notes, will default to a half note instead of a tie. That is what you are looking to do? Two identical notes tied? Not an actual slur?

You might be able to force that after the fact by changing the duration of the note as mentioned before, shortening it and then adding a new note where it "belongs" -- but you won't be able to get the tie marking between them.

Another thing to try is to maybe try turning off the Clean Notation feature, sometimes that can show these things, but again, in the case of the same note tied together, I doubt it.

Whiteout, pen or pencil and copy machine is my goto for BIAB music printouts...


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ok ... I see the point ...
I'm going to try after I'll tell you again ... if anything is there ...
Thanks a lot again

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