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I find generating the "rough" in BIAB then pulling it into Realband if I want to change just a small part of a track using Multiriff before passing the song to Sonar very handy. I tend to export the BIAB song to a .wav if I think it is close to what I want before bringing it up in Realband just in case any regeneration comes out worse. I have found sometimes I use tracks from both BIAB and RealBand in Sonar to finish the song. Maybe using RealBand to alter one or more tracks either by regeneration or using the Multiriff feature.
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I think that 90% number is because the product is called Band In A Box..... and real band is seen as kind of an add-on at no extra cost and essentially people don't explore it's capabilities. You got to admit, there's a ton of features in BB. In fact, I probably don't use more than 20% of the capabilities of both BB & RB. For what I do and how I do it, those things are not needed.
As I've said before I use a 3 step process in my writing.
BiaB is my scratch pad. What I use it for is to find a style and a groove and the key, as well as tempo for the song. I use it knowing that what it produces for me is not necessarily what I'm going to end up with in the final product. It gets me a basic starting point and an idea as to the general direction the song can go. I'd venture to say that 99% of the styles I use in BB are not midi but use real tracks so when I change things, it takes a few seconds to regen the project.
Once I have that done to my satisfaction..... key, tempo, style, and the structure of verses and chorus, I will save it and move to Real Band.
In Real Band..... I let it generate the tracks for the style. I then have a quick listen to see where I'm at. If I like it, I generate the extra tracks BB couldn't and save them to the project and into a folder. I often use the first generation of the tracks. A few times I have used multiple generations of the same track but not often.
I then copy the tracks into Sonar and that's where I do my editing and adding of live tracks. I use Sonar because I know how to do things in it and it's easier for me to work with the live tracks.... punch in/out, splicing and automation.
Anyway... that's my 2 cents. The way I see it is use whatever you want to get the results that make you happy. Nothing else really matters.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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One answer I'm a little surprised you didn't receive is Band-in-a-Box has been around longer than RealBand so users have grown accustomed to NOT using RealBand.
My theory is some users developed their workflow before RealBand was released. Oh, they are not the same age? Never knew that. I think I started with this stuff in maybe 2007 or 2008. I don't remember. The way my memory is now I am close to wearing a bracelet with my address on it. I had to chart out Happy Birthday to have it ready in case I have to play it!
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I probably don't use more than 20% of the capabilities of both BB & RB. For what I do and how I do it, those things are not needed. I am probably as low as 10%! A new song for me starts with my little digital metronome clipped to my shirt as I sat at the keyboard playing, singing "La la la, doo doo doo" to see if I can hit the notes in that key or not, writing down chords on paper. About half the time I will record that into the sequencer of the keyboard and loop it just so I can listen without concentrating on playing. As that part plays, I can then play a second part, be that the bass line, an organ part, strings.... Once I have that thought completed THEN the software input happens. Generate, listen. tweak, generate different drums, different bass... Once that rhythm bed is how I want it I can start really writing. I don't think I have ever done less than 4 different Real Drum tracks, sometimes I actually leave 2 of them stacked. Since you told me about the "Generate Loops" function, which has been there for always and forever and somehow I never even noticed it, I have been thrilled to have tambourine and shakers that play in far better than I can, available. And will now probably use them too much until the new wears off the new toy. That led me to exploring other things I can loop. The only thing I know for sure about this product is that I barely know anything about this product. Yet, as a testament to the level of quality of PG software, knowing and using just the 10-ish% I know I did a whole CD with it. That in itself is remarkable if you think about it. All of that stuff with chord wizard and all that... never even cared. I tried it once and it was SO wrong that I never looked at it again. And as with anything else there grows a frustration level. Like right now I have some plugins I used to use. However, they need jbridge to run. So far, due to getting new computers and such, I have paid 10 bucks for jbridge 3 times, and I am NOT paying for it again, so I guess I will live without those plugins. If I made money with this it would be different, but this is just my hobby when I have days to kill. April will mark 62 years since I started music, and I have;t had a lot of fire for it since the CD a few years ago. Bucket list - checked. On to the next thing.
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Guess who’s back again? That’s right! It’s our XPro Styles PAK’s triumphant return with the 11th edition in this series! 100 new styles are coming your way spread across the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres. And this edition's wildcard genre explores the immense and far-reaching catalogue of electronic music! The included 31 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Special offers available until August 31st, 2026!
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XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2026 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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It’s time to celebrate! Xtra Styles PAK 22 for Band-in-a-Box® is here, and we've got 200 brand-new styles coming your way!
No Xtra Styles PAK is complete without the classic rock & pop, jazz, and country volumes you know and love, and we’ve got plenty to share, with 150 styles spread across too many genres to list! Of course, it also wouldn’t be complete with our special wildcard volume to add a little spice and pizzazz to the mix. This year, because we loved it so much the first time, we’ve decided to make the second iteration of our SynthMaster volume, full of new sounds, interesting genres, and 50 engaging styles, all making use of the diverse SynthMaster plugin! Here you can find genres such as airy yacht rock, sultry electrotango, and even some synth soca funk. Don’t wait, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 22 today!
In this PAK you can find: dulcet folk ballads, funky gospel country, Brazilian jazz fusion, upbeat 1980s pop, classic Americana, a plethora of breezy bossa novas, indie singer-songwriter, scintillating synthwave, exuberant electronica, and many, many more!
Special offers available until August 31st, 2026!
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