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That tutorial was about ccreating our own RealDrums, not RealTracks.

Yes, there is a (rather big) difference.


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Vince, i understand what you want, AS far as GUI and workflow goes, there are as many opinions there as there are users. What one likes another hates. The thing works, and that is the good point. To your point of adding A full on DAW to BiaB, is simple not a reasonable point IMHO. BiaB is not a DAW, and never was intended to be, hence the reason they have had Powertracks, and now RB in the mix. From my understanding it is separate for a couple main reasons. 1. BiaB is designed to build arrangements quickly for both accompaniment and creation. and 2. The DAW work is left to RB and PT, and with the addition of BiaB features to RB that is the way they are offering what you ask for.

Now with the ability to drop and drag from BiaB and RB, you have what you ask for. But adding a full on DAW to BiaB would be make a swiss army knife out of it, and we all know those are cute and sometimes useful, they are never much good at anything one thing in particular.

My vote would always to let BiaB be what it is, and leave the heavy DAW lifting to a true DAW. There is no shortage of those, and BiaB even will drop and drag to those as well.


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My needs in BIAB are rather simple and straightforward. As new upgrades become available, I'd like to be able to audition very good demos on the web site, then be able to customize my order with differential pricing for new styles and Real Tracks. I've upgraded each time and wind up with a lot of styles (and now more RTs) that I won't use. That's because of my market for live play, which is primarily oldies and light, easy jazz tunes. I've nothing against techno, hard rock, ethnic, etc.., it's just not my thing. So, I'd rather not have all that installed. Maybe one option would be to deinstall those items not used. But, someone said when you do that the names of the titles of the styles and RTs remain in place. If that's accurate, how about the ability to remove those, too? Another wish of mine (unless it's there and I can't find it) is a clear-cut template that would allow the user to set volume levels of particular instruments between the A and B variations. In my case, it's mainly drum volumes. It seems that on many styles the B variation comes in with a hard snare back beat that stands out too much for my tastes. I look for substitute patterns or try to use brushes as much as possible. I'd like to see something that says "Variation A drums play at 90." "Variation B drums play at 80." And at my age, and lack of interest in such, I'm not getting into editing the drum kit. I take everything as it is and go with it. Most of the time it's an excellent result. Very pleased with 2010.

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I would like Real Bass to have the ability to play Pedal Bass on beats 2 and 4, so I wouldn't have to use midi bass. Later, Ray

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I would like Real Bass to have the ability to play Pedal Bass on beats 2 and 4, so I wouldn't have to use midi bass. Later, Ray




A different note other than root on bass for one beat and one chord doth not a Pedal Tone maketh.

Try using Slash chords on those beats.


For example, if you want the Dominant to be the Pedal, in C:

|C,F/G C, F/G|



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I meant having for example, a G played on beats 2 and 4, with many different chords played on top. The "C7" button in the tool bar calls this a pedal point, whether it's technically correct or not, I'll leave that for others to discuss. All I know is that I can't use that function with Real Bass. Later, Ray


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We are still limited to only 4 chords per bar. So if you want different chords over the G bass, simply type them in there above the slash. Or am I missing something here?


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I need for example, a G bass note on beat 2 and on beat 4. Beats 1 and 3 would have no bass note. The chord could be anything. The back beat bass I can get with midi bass using the "C7" button, but not with Real Bass. Later, Ray


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Try this as it works here with midi and RTs:
C.dpgs,C/G C.dpgs,C/G

As I said it works however you may not like the four on the floor chords that it plays.

The only other way I know to do this is with two passes through a sequencer. Pass one save the song without a bass line. Pass two change the bass line to something like I described above but only save the bass line. Merge the two saved parts in your sequencer.

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To do the 'two passes through the sequencer' method, remember that BIAB 2010 now has freeze track capability. You can write the song with one set of chords, play and freeze it, and drag those tracks into a sequencer. Then change the chords and produce a second bass track to work with. By so doing, you should be able to produce whatever pedal bass you want.

Another thing to remember is, if you are working just with MIDI bass, the bass track can now be frozen and edited, so you can write exactly what you want for the bass and it won't be regenerated upon Play or song reload.


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I can get the midi bass to play on 2 and 4 already, like in the last 6 bars of Foggy Day by using the "C7" button. I would just like the same capability for Real Bass, like PG just did for shots and pushes. Later, Ray


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