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I watched the video, but I am still hoping to hear some finished demos using real tracks. Without being able to assess the quality of these real tracks and styles, I cannot invest in the product.
I hope the user base of this product will post a few finished demos, so the rest of us can hear the significant product improvements we are reading about.
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Without being able to assess the quality of these real tracks and styles, I cannot invest in the product.
Thanks again.
Moo
There are musical heavies on this site who have posted some sparkling results. Harvey Gerst comes to mind. Using RealBand, he produced several cuts that were album quality to my ear. Other examples are posted almost daily in the Off-Topic forum. (It would help if everyone detailed the platform on which they did their recording; not all postings are done with PG products.)
PG Music also have a 30-day money-back guarantee. Get it and try it. If it's not for you, send it back. No other software manufacturer that I know of offers that.
R.
P.S. It appears that the archive goes back no farther than June of this year. Regardless of whether Harvey is still with us, his postings were much older than that, so would no longer be available. Please pardon my ignorance.
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Hey Kevin...Good stuff. The song "Clap of Thunder"...which of those tracks are BIAB real tracks? Good song. How much BIAB do you use?
Thanks for responding. I like your stuff.
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Re: Clap of Thunder
I searched for the song in the off-topic, but it only went to June of this year. All the instruments in there are realtracks and realdrums except for my acoustic guitar and electric guitar parts.
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Moo, Harvey passed away a few weeks ago.
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John, Harvey? Or do you mean Howard?
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The songs Harvey Gerst posted were done a long while back, using a version of BiaB that did NOT have RealTracks. They sound great. But they are not RealTracks. Matter of fact, he surprised a lot of us when he told us that the BiaB parts were played on the VSC MIDI synth, the first non-DXi version! The thread is still on the Off-Topic forum, I just did a search for Harvey Gerst as user and set the engine for 1 Year and newer: Harvey Gerst's BiaB songs post AFAIK, Harvey is still alive and kicking. --Mac
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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
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Moo, Been a while, what's all bovine lately? One of the coolest features of BIAB 2010 is that you can use it as a plug in to your favorite DAW, for me, Sonar. So, I took a BIAB file that I had, Night and Day. I found a Bossa style with drums, bass, piano and guitar. The Clarinet is from my Korg PA800 keyboard. I dropped the Real Track audio tracks into Sonar, without even really previewing them, and then dragged the melody track, which was MIDI, over to Sonar. Tweaked the levels a bit, armed one track to record all the audio. Took that one track, exported it as .wma, uploaded it to my site, and am posting it here. Total time, less than 20 minutes. www.catsmeowcafe.com/Music/NightTest.wmaI didn't record anything for this, other than the melody a few years ago, so the playing isn't great. I could do a LOT more to this song, but I wanted something quick and dirty to see how it worked. Gary
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i feel compelled to comment..lol.
as everyone knows... biab and the real tracks together with realband
is very much unique in the music creation market.
to create a song one either has to go thru the laborious
days n days n sometimes weeks n even months (which some people ive met do.)
laying down bed traks and getting them right.
ie..the traditional approach.
or one can use pre canned loops n midi patterns n go and paint such on tracks.
or one can start a song in biab/rb combo and even finish it.
in summary..3 options.
1. traditional (a la the old 2 inch tape multitrack days)
2. loop painting.
3. biab/rb approach.
each approach has plusses and minuses.
option 1 can be lengthy.
in the past gold records (oodles of them) were done useing this
approach.
but often in megabuk studios and often with hot dog session musicians.
like the funk brothers etc.
the problem is most people cant afford such.
ive used session cats in the past, superb folks, but today on a pension..
no can do..lol.
the other basic problem is , even if one is a multi instrumentalist
and a superb musician who can play geetar/piano/drums and a couple of other
instruments to boot , one cant know every instrument.
so option 1 can be limiting unless one has a group of session musicians on
tap 24/7.
i did option 1 for the longest time..firstly tape based ,
and then once the pc became more powerfull installed powertraks.
and i can say from experience of oodles of songs n demos etc
often one can loose ones spur of the moment creativity ..
eg laying down midi traks.
option 2. sample/loop painting.
i'm not frankly in favor of the loop painting approach.
mebe its my biases showing. but no gband or acid for me thanks.
its ok for roughing out ideas i guess. and i have gigs n gigs of samples n loops
here. but frankly i find it a bore.
one has to search thru sample libs figuring out which samples n loops fit the song
idea in ones mind. then one goes thru such things as can i match the tempo ??
or hmmm...
ive got this great piano chord sample in Dflat minor, but dang gonna have to change that
down a semitone cos i want a Cminor. no biggies..but it all takes time.
painting the drum loops n samples, then the darn bass loops n samples
and then building other traks to get a decent sounding bed trak going.
it all can take lots of time searching thru libs of loops n sounds.
DO YOU GET THE IDEA HERE ?? SONGS ARE WORK WORK WORK..
LOTSA WORK WHICHEVER WAY YOU SLICE THE COOKIE.
now ..
3. biab/rb combo.
the advantage of this approach is..in the right hands it can be a time saver.
but as someone said to me one still has to find the right style of the many available thats most appropo
for the song (and of course select the instruments for sound picture).
but what i like about the concept is its like haveing a group of session musicians always
on tap to create songs with.
how i look at biab/rb is like a marriage.
biab for flushing out the song idea fast while the muse hits and then
bring the song into rb for finishing off //lead upfront traks//song icings.
(or D n D into ones fav daw software).
now let me say ive come across in my net and other travels two
DIFFERENT OPPOSING CAMPS.
some people have said , will never use it. or sounds cheesy,
or sounds like musak. they are very firm in their beliefs.
when people say this to me i know they have not properly delved into the products
in an open minded fashion...to realise
what can be done useing them.
because as any experienced user knows its all in how one
sets about useing the products.
of course it will sound cheesy if one uses the darn MS on board synth sound chip.
but use realtraks and/or a wonderfull synth engine and a whole new universe opens up.
the other camp are those that love the products and know how to use them.
and this is the nub of it imho. cos in many respects from looking at the demos etc etc
n reading tons on google these products are CHAMELEONS.
they can be used in lots of different ways.
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bottom lining the whole topic.
i dont think there will ever be a perfect solution/approach.
cos music creation at best is WORK as i said.
but i do think pg have done a breakthru with these products from
a software engineering standpoint.
my only nit pik is i wish the pricing was less for those of us on a
pension..lol.
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now the original poster asked for songs.
one problem of course is realtraks are a new phenomena.
so i'm sure its taken awhile for people to get familiar with all the
possibilities.
there will be songs made that run the whole gamut from brilliant
right thru basic guide trak ruff demo.
some people use biab just to rough out guides for musicians
in studios to play over the top of.
this really depends on the users aims.
i would also like to bring up another important point.
years back occasionally i would have discussions with folks in big studios.
sometimes biab would be used in the song creation process.
eg a jingle or tv ad or a proper song or whatever.
but often it was kept as sorta an inside secret.
some folks just dont like to give out how they did things.
or their tricks etc etc ive found.
all i'm trying to say is, if one hears a poor song..
one cant say "oh boy" ya know that biab.."man it sucks".
believe it or not ive seen such daft posts on the net.
cos mebe it was a poor song concept or the song wasnt produced correctly.
bottom line is biab n rb are just TOOLS.
some architects build beautifull buildings with the same tools as
other architects that build ugly office buildings we all dislike.
now if pg would just offer pensioner discounts...lol.
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
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Moo, Harvey passed away a few weeks ago.
This is indeed sad news for me, and here I thought I was doing so well. 
Actually, I've been kinda busy designing some new studio monitors so I haven't been here as much as I'd like to be. Here's a thread talking about them:
Trident HG3 Studio Monitors
But I'm still alive and kicking, and I just got the 2010 UltraPak so I'll be getting into that more, as time permits.
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Yeah, Harvey!
Looks like you haven't lost those rather unique design skills at all, like the good old wines that get better 'n better. Not "age" but "vintage," right? Right.
Take the market.
By storm.
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OK here's one I've recently finished. This is my first 'All realtrack' demo apart from the vocals of course, It made me feel quite lazy as I didn't pick up one instrument. One More Chance
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Moo, Harvey passed away a few weeks ago.
This is indeed sad news for me, and here I thought I was doing so well.
I bet the flowers I sent were quite a surprise.
Very nice looking product you got there. Would love to hear them someday.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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Moo, Harvey passed away a few weeks ago.
This is indeed sad news for me, and here I thought I was doing so well.
Actually, I've been kinda busy designing some new studio monitors so I haven't been here as much as I'd like to be. Here's a thread talking about them:
Trident HG3 Studio Monitors
But I'm still alive and kicking, and I just got the 2010 UltraPak so I'll be getting into that more, as time permits.
Rolling on the floor right now, but I must admit I was afraid we had lost another for a second or two. I guess the lesson here is never stay too quite for very long or someone will throw dirt on ya!  You had better check in more often Harvey.
PS: By the way I am feeling well.
PS#2: Best of luck with the new monitors.
Later,
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Hi All.
Manning - Thank you for taking the time to explain the different approaches and your experience of creating a song, biab or not. Very interesting reading and I agree whichever method one uses to get it right it can be a long but hopefully pleasurable experience. Biab is just another aid to the process albeit a fantastic one for those of us on a pension and no access to professional musicians for the instruments we do not play to help us. I think biab, especially with realtracks, injects that human touch to my songs rather than using loops or other methods to create the backings. It is also a wonderful for learning theory of music.
Yes please discounts from PG to pensioners.
Regards. Jeff
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My dad used to get so mad at the 'seniors' discounts. As mad as my Dad ever got was "Gol Darnit..." or my grandfather under his breath going.."God blessss ..theee...Duke ...of....of....Argyle..." LOL.
His theory was 5 kids, no money, and someone who had their whole life to save up is getting a discount while the guy with the 5 kids, well pay up.
Now he claims to be rich, (he's not really), but he can afford a new car every 3 years and pay cash, and has a really nice condo.
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If he is alive and healthy he is rich indeed..
I'll be rich too, if I can get these kids out of the house.
Not in a hurry, actually; the day will come too soon.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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Can't come too soon for me. The very presence of my 20 yr. old daughter who has every excuse for not getting a job is driving me nuts. Probably because I worked part time from 11 to 15 and then full time until I retired to work part time out of boredom.
I spent the first 14 years of my life wearing older cousins clothes, how Ioathed the semi annual trips to the rich relatives so I could get their used junk. With 5 kids in the family and me the oldest...well...just how it was in the 50's and 60's. First thing I bought was dress pants and a shirt.
And a 100 buck transistor radio to hang on the handlebars of my bike.
I'm fixing the house up now for selling it. I have rooms no one goes in all week. Only wish I could do some of the work. The wife is painting one room today. I'll play the piano.
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Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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