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I stand corrected. There were 2 guys. My memory is getting fuzzy in my old age. I didn't follow the story, just heard about it a couple of times on the news.
I wouldn't have done what he did either, since it was his neighbors house, not his. But if it were my own home or family, then an intruder has picked a bad place to intrude.
I actually believe there would far less break ins and assaults if the crooks knew that the people inside were armed. Kind of like a playground bully, he won't pick on you if he knows you'll fight back. Here in WV, most homes have at least one gun. That's one of the reasons break ins with people at home are so rare. The last one I remember hearing about was 2 punks who broke in on a little old lady who lived alone because they thought she would be easy pickins'. Bad choice. She killed one and sent the other one running with a couple of slugs in him. After he got treated at the hospital, he got to enjoy the hospitality at the state pen.
Most of the other shootings here are drug related and many involve drug dealers from Detroit or Columbus coming here to sell their poison. These are far too common. And we also have our own homegrown meth heads who cook up their poison in a trailer up a hollow and violence goes hand in hand with that.
But as a rule, the ones who have to worry about getting shot by the good old boys are the deer! Not the general public.
And changing subjects, I hardly ever watch the news anymore since most of it is so depressing and ALL of the news networks have an agenda. Thing is, they always have had an agenda. But years ago there were so few news outlets and they all were in lockstep so it came down to which anchor you liked the best and the public bought the agenda because everyone said the same thing.
But if there's something major going on, then I go to Fox because at least I know I'm not going to be getting anti-American garbage.
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Fox is a joke. A sick joke. I removed them from my TV-remote years ago.
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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Prolly got a tingle up yer leg, too...
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Prolly got a tingle up yer leg, too...
You mean down my leg - like I'm incontinent?
How'd you know?
My doctor must be spreading it around. Think I'll shoot that sumbitch!
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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Fox is a joke. A sick joke. I removed them from my TV-remote years ago.
LOL. I'm not suprised we disagree on Fox News. I like them because they will come down on politicians on both sides of the aisle. They hammered Bush as much as they do Obama. If you were watching them, you'd know that. And yes they do lean to the conservative side. Just as the other networks lean to the left. Everyone has an agenda.
But that's one of the great things about America. Our forefathers tried really hard to set up a country where it's okay to disagree with each other and even with the government itself! That's part of what freedom is.
So God bless ya' man. Merry Christmas.
Bob 
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Good point, flatpicker......sort of...;) Glen Beck and Sean Hannity make millions of bucks a year hammering Obama relentlessly.It's, literally, all they do. A couple of "Rush lites". When either of these guys have critisized Bush and or his administration, it's always been with a firm "but" attached to it along with the requisit blame placed on the liberal left in the senate or congress. I mean, Obama hadn't even so much as sat down in the chair in the white house and these two" chucle-heads" were rippin him a new butthole. And when Bush and his cronies were making bad decisions after bad decisions, these clowns were rationalizing and enabling them every step of the way. I mean, 8 years of watching the country nose dive and do nothing but let it get worse and worse till we're at the edge of a total economic meltdown. Well; he did start the "TARP" thing.  But it's always the same "Republican Mantra" of......"well...just lower taxes and all will be well" Right..............;) Obama and his administration are actually doing things for improvement. Being a pro-active goverment is sometimes neccesary.....especially after what Bush & co. had a huge hand in doing to this country. But hey; these are the best of times for Beck and Hannity. Look at there paystubs. No wonder they're such Bush slappys. 
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Fox is a joke. A sick joke. I removed them from my TV-remote years ago.
LOL. I'm not suprised we disagree on Fox News. I like them because they will come down on politicians on both sides of the aisle. They hammered Bush as much as they do Obama. If you were watching them, you'd know that. And yes they do lean to the conservative side. Just as the other networks lean to the left. Everyone has an agenda.
But that's one of the great things about America. Our forefathers tried really hard to set up a country where it's okay to disagree with each other and even with the government itself! That's part of what freedom is.
So God bless ya' man. Merry Christmas.
Bob
Great thing about modern TVs. I can erase what I don't like to see, and you can do likewise.
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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What do Beck, Hannity, O'reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Obama and Bill Clinton have in common?
None served a single day in the military.
Like the man said, "ain't that a kick in the head!"
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Good point, flatpicker......sort of...;)
Glen Beck and Sean Hannity make millions of bucks a year hammering Obama relentlessly.It's, literally, all they do. A couple of "Rush lites".
No way I'm gettin' into a political debate!
Just to clarify, all of the "news" networks have a part of the day devoted to "news" and a part of it devoted to commentary, (pundits who mouth off their opinions). Beck, O'Rielly, Hannity and Greta van whatshername are NOT news. Larry King, Nancy Grace and others on CNN are NOT news. Chris Matthews and his fellow pundits on MSNBC are NOT news.
I don't watch any of these blowhards because I can come up with my opinions without being told what I should think.
Obama should be hammered by these Fox pundits because ALL of the other networks make him out to be the "Messiah". Worshipping the president is a really dangerous thing. Our freedom is way more important than the occupant in the white house, especially if he's a socialist, and there's NO legitimate argument that Obama's not a socialist. It's not even debatable. Not my opinion, just plain fact.
So we need somebody like Fox to counterbalance the "hero worship" that Chris Matthews and the others have for Obama. As I said before, I don't watch any of them, but if I want news I'll watch Fox when the blowhards aren't on. And if I want to hear what the Obama administration says is news, I'll watch CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC or CBS. I never want to hear a word out of Obama's mouth.
Ever!
But more than likely, I'll have to ignore him for 2 terms. More time for me to play with BIAB.
Merry Christmas Swanny! Hope you have a good one.
Bob
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A journalist is supposed to bring you the facts. Not his/her or the network's political or ideological view. They're supposed to....
Just this evening a young documentary-maker said: "I'm not a journalist, I just let people from both sides tell their story. The viewer has to determine for himself what the truth is."
Go figure....
Yes, we all are lead to believe certain things. Yes, all politicians have their own agenda. And please stop the global warming! We are up to our neck in snow. Here, where a white Christmas only appears when h*ll freezes over!
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Aren't you going to wish me a Merry Christmas? Come on, you can do it.
LOL
Bob
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Most of the blowhards don't claim to be journalists, because they're not.
Trouble is, most of the so called journalists aren't jounalists either. They are pundits who try to pass themselves off as newspeople.
Just like the global warming myth that has been shoved down our throats. It's just another lie to advance a group of peoples agenda to get power, money and control over people's lives. The earth has always been getting warmer, then colder, warmer, then colder. It always will.
Bob
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No big deal flatster but, in all candor, you're reciting the "republican mantra" verbatum, man. I dont care what people say: he's by far the most intelligent and articulate prez we've had in my lifetime. And i think its pretty cool. Plus; he smokes ( like me) drinks bud lite ( like you, no doubt;) plays b-ball every day ( like alot of guys)..and his wife , as smart as he is, might be smarter. The only people I've seen or heard who go around clamoring that he's " The Messiah" are the da-hoosh bags" ( coughing) on FOX, man. cmon..lol... Maybe because Bush was so incredibly inarticulate and clueless that Obama seems so "all that". I dunno, man. All i know is thank God there's another team in there now cause the other team was getting so beat down by there own inabilty to manage the country that it actually got scary. So lets give the guy a fair shot. Rip him after 4 years but lets see what happens before we draw conclusions after a year. He couldnt have picked a worse possible time to be president, either; with the mess he's been left to clean up thanks to FOXS' team of good ole boys....( Rumsfelf, Chaney, Bush..ect.;) One last parting shot: They called FDR a socialist. Think he did a pretty damn good job, dont you? And, inasmuch as I cant stand "slick willie) , they called him a socialist too and he presided over the strongest economic boon this country has ever seen. Who knows: maybe I'll have healthcare when all is said and done. ( havnt had it for 2 years now...to expensive
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I have never watched Fox news. But they make the news here all the time, because they talk about invading the commie nation to the north and that makes our news. None of think that will ever happen, but if it did it would turn into the grand-daddy of all wars, I cannot think of many countries who wouldn't turn up to help.
I cannot fathom the lack of health care. More is spent per capita in the US. I'd be broke and dead or both without it, so much crap is wrong. I cannot imagine having a gall bladder go south and having to die over it, or becoming destitute. I don't view that as socialist, it's a human rights issue in my book.
I refuse to get into American presidents arguments, I know so little about politics south of the border, but I did find it cool that any small town can have a parade, and the politicians pay to be in it and they give the money to bands to play. I swear 70 percent of that parade I was in every year in Romeo MI was politicians. Here the mayor expects a convertible to ride up front and maybe 2 others will be in the parade, and were 400,000 compared to what 15k in Romeo, and that parade was twice as big.
To bad the closed the border up so tight we canceled all 9 American parades, somedays it took 2 to 3 hours of trying to get past the M16's and that was less time than it used to take to go over spend some cash and come back. More Canadians are going to Cuba now than go to the US. Over 1 million will visit this year alone. 3 direct flights a day from my city, and 2.5 hours and you are on a beach. I wanted to rent a car in Miami and for the wife and I the cost of the flights and car rental was 2,000 for 2 weeks. no food, no lodging, no drinks. Two weeks all inclusive to Varadero was 900 each.
Here's hoping everyone has a nice holiday, and stays well. I'm probably making my last 2 mile hike on snowshoes into the cabin for christmas, although getting off the paved streets, sidewalks and hard surfaces seems to make my feet and legs feel way better.
John Conley
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I used to hang out here all the time...one of the main contributors on the old forum.
I had forgotten why I rarely check in any more.
After reading this thread, I now remember.
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It's not the forum, cress, just the occasional discussion that turns toxic. Almost always when it turns political, though.
R.
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I used to hang out here all the time...one of the main contributors on the old forum.
I had forgotten why I rarely check in any more.
After reading this thread, I now remember.
What?? This is one thread out of dozens in the off topic forum where people are talking about their equipment, their latest recordings, new software, all kinds of interesting stuff. Wow, I hope you're not this narrow minded with other things in your life.
If you don't like this thread ignore it and read the ones that interest you.
Bob
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Swanny, Ryzard seems to think our conversation has became toxic. Quote:
It's not the forum, cress, just the occasional discussion that turns toxic. Almost always when it turns political, though.
R.
Personally, I don't think it has became toxic. But I don't drink Bud Light. It's Bud Select for me! LOL.
I'm also a smoker,(like you and Obama), I no longer have health insurance since I lost my job a few months ago. Therefore I can relate to you not having any insurance.
So what's your opinion? Toxic or non-toxic? Good natured discussion and ribbing between cyber friends or heated debate ?
Your thoughts please.
Bob
P.S. By the way, if you're ever in my neck of the woods in WV, beers are on me. Maybe we could even pick a few tunes.
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I dont see it as "toxic. But, like anyone else, he's entitled to his opinion. Our culture is all about agreeing to disagree periodically.Or a bit more than periodically. Hey, any government that has at its core a huge mix of lawyers making policy that effects all of us ( the wolrd too on occasion) is a bit scary. Think we can all agree on that. Generally, it doesnt bother me who critizises our governentment as long as it's fair and reasonably accurate. What I find "toxic" is people unfairly critizising the American citizens themselves. On this site it's predictably the same usual suspects. Usually amounts to a envy, IMO. But hey: that's only my opinion. Merry christmas....;)
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Quoting Swanman Quote:
I dont see it as "toxic. But, like anyone else, he's entitled to his opinion. Our culture is all about agreeing to disagree periodically.Or a bit more than periodically. Hey, any government that has at its core a huge mix of lawyers making policy that effects all of us ( the wolrd too on occasion) is a bit scary. Think we can all agree on that.
Generally, it doesnt bother me who critizises our governentment as long as it's fair and reasonably accurate. What I find "toxic" is people unfairly critizising the American citizens themselves. On this site it's predictably the same usual suspects. Usually amounts to a envy, IMO. But hey: that's only my opinion. Merry christmas....;)
I'm with you 100% Swanman.
I hope 2010 brings ALL of us better fortunes than 2009 has.
By the way, that offer of the "beers are on me" doesn't have an expiration date. Just send me a PM and I'll bring two guitars so we can pick a few tunes.
Merry Christmas to you Swanny and to all of the PG family.
Bob
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.
Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
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