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I regret to announce that the Queen's English is in peril. The probable cause for this mis-spelling is the crazy dictionary we are forced to utilise on the internet. I am always having to double check the underlined words. I will be much happier if they acquire a proper fly by allowing me British, Canadian, and 'merican spellings. My neighbours is right, is suppose somewhere they dropped the U however the memory trick is school was U because You are my neighbour.
The best new word that I heard on TV recently was a New Yorker using the word 'smoover'. Eventually it was explained that this was an iron, you use it to smoove out your clothes. YIKES. It's an iron cause there are 3 of them on the wood stove, and you clamp the handle to the hot one. My son got one with a 'lectric cord when he was in the army, they taught him how to use it in cadets, then when he moved up they had to take a course, crease the pants.
At the end of the day, don't use spell check unless you recheck the word. Otherwise you might rise from the dead.
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Richard sit down please! I totally agree with you.
Danny you are totally ingrained in a process that you like and works. I have a friend that does the same as you. The song must be 100% accurate to the record. PG programs will not suit you. I'd just buy the latest version of one of the programs you mention and continue on. Maybe a better sound module/s.
Just out of curiosity how much do you play out for money? The reason I ask is that in the olden days when I did all of my own parts and it sounded like the record I'd always get "Oh you're just doing Karaoke" so now I do the songs more to my liking while still staying true to the basic format. There is a calling for good cover BANDS that play like the record but just wonder if attitudes have changed about soloists doing that.
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I can't imagine doing "Back In The USSR" by the Beatles or "Pipeline" by the Chantays or "Wild Horses" by the Rolling Stones using BIAB styles!
The BB Style Wizard converts a Midi file to a style. Thus take a high quality Midi file and extract the gist of the accompaniment to a suitable BB style. It's a piece of cake and provides much more flexibility than just doing the robot thing.
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Richard sit down please! I totally agree with you.
Danny you are totally ingrained in a process that you like and works. I have a friend that does the same as you. The song must be 100% accurate to the record. PG programs will not suit you. I'd just buy the latest version of one of the programs you mention and continue on. Maybe a better sound module/s.
Just out of curiosity how much do you play out for money? The reason I ask is that in the olden days when I did all of my own parts and it sounded like the record I'd always get "Oh you're just doing Karaoke" so now I do the songs more to my liking while still staying true to the basic format. There is a calling for good cover BANDS that play like the record but just wonder if attitudes have changed about soloists doing that.
I wasn't thinking along those lines--one of those "never mind the answer, what's the question?" deals--but hey: why bother with MIDI at all? If Dan A wants it to sound exactly like the original, why not just do guitar over karaoke? Heck of a lot less work and better sound in the deal. What am I missing here?
Jest a thot,
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Richard I was going to say that but am trying to turn over a new leaf and be a kinder gentler poster. 
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Why not take the PG vocal remover plug and buy the original record!?
No i understand Danny to a point. There are some somes that truely need the hook lines of the song to stand out and catch people attention, but conversly there are many songs that sound o so good with an interpretation.
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I think Danny just needs to bite the proverbial bullet and pay the man the three hundred dollars for the upgrade, get the USB provision going and get on with it...
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I . . . am trying to turn over a new leaf and be a kinder gentler poster.
Yah, dass why I put da kitteh in mah abbatar, LOL.
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Danny you are confusing RB with BiaB a tad. RB is a full sequencer, and it does not have to rely on the BiaB styles to generate a song.
In BiaB you get the styles "version" of a song. You can start from a midi file, but it works better to generate a song in the style of. RB and PTPA both will open up and refine midi files. You can add real tracks to them with ease. I do this all the time. Some songs i want the full flavor of the original, and some songs i want it to be my interpretation of the song, so I use the sty;e system.
Some songs i want the drums to sound like the original song so i use a VSTi drum program like jamstix or something, on others i might add a flavor to the song maybe i want it to be a reggae or samba beat so i generate drums with Real Drums.
Thanks for the clarification between RB with BiaB and thanks for the description of your tune creation process What does the acronym PTPA stand for? How do you find Jamstix compared to other drum software?
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PTPA = PG Music's "Power Tracks Pro Audio," the full name of their straight DAW/sequencer. Often abbreviated PT or PTW (Power Tracks for Windows).
Real Band is a hybrid of PTPA and BIAB, incorporating major features of both.
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I exhume you're a keyboard player
I assume that you mean "assume." "Exhume" means to disinter, i.e., to dig up a dead body. One meaning of "assume" is to make an assumption, warranted or otherwise. Signed, your friendly Grammar Nazi. *g*
Guys,
Forget trying to persuade Danny A to use anything by PG Music or anyone else to create his tracks. He doesn't want something close, he wants note-for-note copies and, apparently, a player with special capabilities. He needs to buy commercial MIDI files with licensing fees built in and load them into whatever he's using now. Then he can revoice and tweak as necessary to attain his apparent verbatim goals.
Danny A again,
I envy you that Terratec Axon. If I ever get the bucks, that will be the follow-on to my Roland VG-88. I thought when I bought it that it had a pitch-to-MIDI converter built in, but nooOOOooo.
R.
Nope, the word choice "exhume" was not an error on my part, it was a combination of a play on words given your age (and alas mine) in concert with a humorous non sequitur.
If you read my posts in their entirety and take into account the topic of my thread, you'll see that your view of my "verbatim goals" is a bit of a strawman. My goals are in fact dependant on musical context and choice of tune.
Logical fallacies and humor aside I have the Roland VG-99, it has guitar to MIDI equivalent to the Roland GI-20, but it's no match for the Axon's speed on the low strings nor the Axon's fret, string and pick position splits. Nonetheless for ease of use and simplicity I still use my Roland GR30.
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all songs are work if building a songs traks from scratch.
whichever daw software one uses.
its interesting you mention pipeline.
one of the first songs i learnt on geetar when i was a kidlet
donkeys ages ago.
in the hands of a skillfull pro AE useing prolly realband
i'm sure the song could be re created or any other covers.
but there are aspects outside any music softwares capabilities.
for example can you get the exact geetar tone recorded ??
this is nothing to do with music software.
but the other gear available to record that pipeline geetar tonality
and sound picture.
in summary the limitations are not in the software itself
but many other variables.
now i'm going off n do some..
bom bom bom bom, bom bom bom bom..
Yes with my toys I can get plenty close to the timbres you reference. I have a Boss GT-10, Podxt, Roland VG-99, TC Helicon VoiceWorks and lots more. However whether I do or not is another matter as I've already outlined somewhat. Bear in mind that I did not start this thread to argue the merits of mimicry.
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I regret to announce that the Queen's English is in peril. The probable cause for this mis-spelling is the crazy dictionary we are forced to utilise on the internet. I am always having to double check the underlined words. I will be much happier if they acquire a proper fly by allowing me British, Canadian, and 'merican spellings. My neighbours is right, is suppose somewhere they dropped the U however the memory trick is school was U because You are my neighbour.
The best new word that I heard on TV recently was a New Yorker using the word 'smoover'. Eventually it was explained that this was an iron, you use it to smoove out your clothes. YIKES. It's an iron cause there are 3 of them on the wood stove, and you clamp the handle to the hot one. My son got one with a 'lectric cord when he was in the army, they taught him how to use it in cadets, then when he moved up they had to take a course, crease the pants.
At the end of the day, don't use spell check unless you recheck the word. Otherwise you might rise from the dead.
May I suggest you review my post referencing logical fallacies, humor, and wordplay?
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I haven't read your posts thoroughly and so probably did miss your intent. There was no straw man, just inattention on my part.
I have heard nothing but good about the Axon 100. The zoning and layering capabilities sound fantastic. That Steve Morse uses one can't be bad, either. Love to hear some of your playing, especially if you have some originals.
Merry Christmas!
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PTPA = Play That Phunky ... no, that's not it. 
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Richard sit down please! I totally agree with you.
Danny you are totally ingrained in a process that you like and works. I have a friend that does the same as you. The song must be 100% accurate to the record. PG programs will not suit you. I'd just buy the latest version of one of the programs you mention and continue on. Maybe a better sound module/s.
Just out of curiosity how much do you play out for money? The reason I ask is that in the olden days when I did all of my own parts and it sounded like the record I'd always get "Oh you're just doing Karaoke" so now I do the songs more to my liking while still staying true to the basic format. There is a calling for good cover BANDS that play like the record but just wonder if attitudes have changed about soloists doing that.
Nope I'm not "totally ingrained in a process that you like and works." (sic).
As discussed, if you read my posts in their entirety and take into account the topic of my thread, you'll see that your view of "totally ingrained" is a bit of a strawman. My goals are in fact dependent on musical context and choice of tune (s'cuse the argumentum ad nauseum).
OK, as to how to avoid the "Oh you're just doing Karaoke" syndrome:
I do a fair amount of improtu acapella
I do a fair amount of solo guitar
I do a fair amount of humor
When I did it on a full time basis I was totally wireless and would serenade the patrons at their tables
When I did it on a full time basis I would hand off my guitar to the patrons at their tables so that they could play it
Other interactive improtu antics
In other words there are many ways to not only engage the audience but to (at the same time) prove to them you are "real".
IMHO people do not go to local venues simply to hear regurgitated wank (regardless of whether it's note for note or approximations) they want to be entertained and engaged.
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I'm going to take a brake from driving this topic and chew on the info-morsels. Mixed puns and corny metaphors redux.
Thank you all very much for the kindness!
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Danny, Ryzard is absolutely correct. I completely understand what you're doing and you don't need any of this stuff unless you simply want to have fun at home. Some of the suggestions are overlooking your requirement list such as using Real Band to create some Real Track's or Drums. That's fine and it will sound great because I can tell you know what you're doing but on your list is the item you want to be able to do quick tempo or key changes on the fly. Those RT/RD's are audio files guys, you can't do that in RB without regenerating the tracks first and that takes too long on a gig. To do what he wants requires everything to be all midi. RB can create absolutely killer sounding Mp3's that can be used on a gig but then he loses the ability to make all those different loops and other things live. Anyway Danny, go here Norton Music Notes is a complete pro, does the same thing as you plus he made a pretty nice business out of it. He's created literally thousands of very good styles and a lot of them are designed to work as covers. Because of your point about having the song sound as close to the original as possible, he doesn't use any of the RT/RD's. He has some very detailed articles explaining exactly how he uses these things live on stage. You can also do a forum search under his username Notes Norton, he's posted on these exact points many times. Bob
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Obviously a 'nadian fer sher! LOL
Sorry but this old californian has trouble with tat much verbiage! never could sit thru sense and sensibilities!
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