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What is the sample and bit rate of the original real-tracks and real-drums?
I think that 44,1K/16bit is not a very audiophile format for year 2010.
In a few year 24bit/96k will be the standard in the recording studios, so I hope that the real-things are being recorded in 24-96 so to not have them
getting old too early.
Sergino
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Well, the Audiophile Edition is 16/44.1 .wav format (AIFF for Macintosh, same bit depth and rate).
The standard edition uses .wma format compressed audio files, they are converted to 16/44.1 wav files when they load, so that they can be manipulated.
I do record in 14/44/1, 24/48 and also sometimes in 24/96 here. I use the RealTracks at 16/44.1 wav in some of those recordings and just continue on multitracking, recording my tracks at the chosen higher rate. Sounds great.
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>>>the real-things are being recorded in 24-96 so to not have them
getting old too early.
Yes, most are recorded in that format, and we preserve the masters of course.
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Peter Gannon
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That's great, Peter!
Some day there may be the two terabyte USB-3 Audiophile 24/96 edition...
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This is a good new.
Will Biab 2011 Audiophile be a 24/96?
Mac or somebody else has written about mp3 beeing un-developed since a few years.
It looks the same is for General-MIDI. Listening to real-tracks, the GM sounds seem prehistoric.
Now that sampling technique is so good and easy on PCs, why is nobody developing a GM3 with unlimited voices and newest tones?
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Sergino,
Remember, General MIDI, and GM2, are nothing more than standards. How each company institutes that standard is up to them.
As to 'unlimited voices', do you mean programs/patches/instruments or whatever you want to call the particular sound, or are you talking about polyphony? Again, polyphony is up to the manufacturer. My Korg has, I think, either 96 or over 100 notes of polyphony, which far exceeds the GM standard of 28. Also, whomever is implementing the GM/2/or 3 standard provides the 'tones.' An Acoustic Piano, no matter what GM standard you follow, may be horrid, bad, mediocre, good, or the best thing since sliced bread, all depending on what the manufacturer wants to do. What Yamaha does isn't what Korg does, or what Roland does, or anyone else for that matter.
As to anything beyond 24/96, we can't even do a full 24 bits as it is now, not without running into electron flow noise, and with a theoretical noise floor of 144 dB, what were you planning on recording? The singing song of a cricket chirping a mile away, and then a 2,000 pound bomb going off over that cricket? Because, that's about the dynamic range you're going to get with a full 24 bits. Going beyond that is useless, you'd never be able to go 0 to full scale without damaging your hearing.
Finally, until music companies retire the common CD, and switch everything to audio DVD, in the end, everything still gets played at 16/44.1 if your goal is to put it on a CD.
Gary
Last edited by Gary Curran; 12/28/09 04:17 PM.
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Mac or somebody else has written about mp3 beeing un-developed since a few years.
That is not what I wrote.
I said that the development of the Fraunhofer codec had stopped.
The LAME encoder kept right on going and as far as I know, they are still making developments on it.
IMO the LAME encoder now sounds much better than files made using the Fraunhofer codecs, of which there seems to be a confusing mix of quite a few different ones, too.
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It looks the same is for General-MIDI. Listening to real-tracks, the GM sounds seem prehistoric.
Now that sampling technique is so good and easy on PCs, why is nobody developing a GM3 with unlimited voices and newest tones?
I think what you don't like is a function of whatever MIDI synth you are listening to at the time. You can likely do better. Typically, that will cost some money. Check out the Ketron SD-2 Orchestral Wizard. Sounds great. So good, in fact, that sometimes I confuse it for a RealTrack on certain instruments.
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Hi Mac,
I concur with your view of the Ketron SD-2 Sounds. I have thousands from different sources, but my first choice is the Ketron and then I look for substitutes if required.
Lyn
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And if things were financially better, I'd have one, too.
Gary
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I think that the point is not whether people will be listening to music in 24/96 (although I guess that a few audiophiles will) but whether the recording studios are mixing with tracks in 24/96. I suspect that all the pro (and many of the semi-pro) studios are working with 24/96 tracks already for the extra headroom during mixing and then dithering down to 16 bit at the mastering stage. Most of the sample loop construction kits that are the nearest rivals to BIAB already ship in 24/96 format.
The problem for BIAB is that, because of its flexibility, its sample sets (Realtracks/Drums) are very many times bigger than a typical sample loop construction kit. The 16/44.1 audiophile edition already runs to 1.2 Terabytes. By my reckoning delivering that in 24/96 format would be more than three times bigger (i.e. around four terabytes). This sample library (even at 16/44.1) is growing by 200-300 gigabytes every six months. Clearly 24/96 would not be practicable right now just from a storage/distribution perspective, but I think that PG have done absolutely the right thing by recording the originals at 24/96 so that they could potentially deploy it if and when the disk storage technology catches up.
For now the 16/44.1 version is keeping me more than happy!
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