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With each new release of BIAB I anxiously await any updates to the notation portion of the software. Again, I guess Santa just gave me a lump of coal.
Since fake sheet was introduced many versions back there have been only a few minor changes. We did get Repeats / endings, but even they don't work properly with more than two endings. The "Real" band is updated regularly, the sequencer function has its share of new features but the poor notation function is left well behind. Try a song with 3 different lyrics in the endings - you get the third set on the first ending.
Anyway, for me again, 100 new features and not one of them has anything to do with notation.
Maybe next year.
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I agree. In each upgrade there's less notation issues.
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Its a good point, we should revisit notation in future versions.
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Speaking of which, one thing I notice regularly is problems with enharmonic spellings.
E.G. Basin St. Blues in C - from Allanah's collection. Follow the melody line along and in bar 1 you'll find E F Gb F# Gnat. The 4th note should be G (the flat from the previous Gb still affects it. I have tried to correct this but cannot force the G(b).
It appears to be caused by the chord that is active at the relevant portion of the bar. In this case the progression is C, Dm7, Ebm7, Em7. The F# note appears under the Em7. Nevertheless, this is distracting when trying to sight read cold at tempo. Because of the change in notation there is a tendency to expect a note change when it's actually the same one.
--=-- My credo: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing - just ask my missus, she'll tell ya  --=--You're only paranoid if you're wrong!
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I'd like to hold you to that. Even if we can only fix the 'gliches' that have been there forever would be a boon.
There are lots - sometimes the DS al coda is missing - the sign is there to return to, but no indication from where. I had a new one today - a song with two endings , but there was only a mark on the first - nothing on the second
I would love to see dynamic bar lengths - base the length of the bar on the number of notes or the length of the lyric, not on a fixed portion of the staff length.
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I'm not familiar with notation features in Biab at all. But would it help if you take care of all that in an external sequencer, or a Notation software like Finale, and then export the midi file from them...Then, just import that midi file into Biab?
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I'm not familiar with notation features in Biab at all.
You would benefit substantially if you get acquainted with the BB notation features. By all means, BB should be self contained for everyday notation purposes - comprising compound time signatures and such issues. Sibelius ($ 699) may get involved for substantially more complex tasks than creating leadsheets.
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Often it's more satisfactory to use a series of programs that are each expert in one task, like a Sibelius or Finale for notation. I happen to use Encore since I learned it twenty years ago. There can be problems going back and forth, though, such as the MIDI resolution used by each program.
PG Music ads say this about what it will do: "You can print out your finished creation with lyrics, chords, repeats and endings, DC markings and codas, or save it as a graphics file for web publication or to e-mail to a friend." We know there are some weaknesses, including support for true 6/8 and cut time. It's great that Peter has put improving notation on the list for the future.
We've had much the same discussion over at the SONAR forum, where the notation editing has not been changed in a decade. Those of us who use notation do not expect SONAR to be as powerful as Sibelius or Finale; we just expect it will be no worse than other competitive DAW software. BIAB is different, though: Is there any software that can compete with BIAB?
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I won't trade BIAB but just wish it would do better with the notation. I don't use Real anything, I don't make midi files for later, I just use the basic BIAB functions to play along to. Actually, I generally mute everything except drums and bass, and use it to back live keyboard, guitar and voice. For me the fake sheet is a key function, and as said earlier, an external software program might produce better results, but I prefer to stick with one program.
Does BIAB export the chord notation in it's midi format - and if so can finale read it? Not much point exporting a fake sheet if there are no chords on the output.
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Speaking of which, one thing I notice regularly is problems with enharmonic spellings.
E.G. Basin St. Blues in C - from Allanah's collection. Follow the melody line along and in bar 1 you'll find E F Gb F# Gnat. The 4th note should be G (the flat from the previous Gb still affects it. I have tried to correct this but cannot force the G(b).
It appears to be caused by the chord that is active at the relevant portion of the bar. In this case the progression is C, Dm7, Ebm7, Em7. The F# note appears under the Em7. Nevertheless, this is distracting when trying to sight read cold at tempo. Because of the change in notation there is a tendency to expect a note change when it's actually the same one.
Hmm. Notation window, Opts -> Is "Use chord scale for enharmonics" checked?
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and if so can finale read it?
If you import a midi file that has a chordal structure of any form, it would analyze and assign a chord with the proper bassline. Then, you can edit it to your liking.
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G'day Mac, Quote:
Hmm. Notation window, Opts -> Is "Use chord scale for enharmonics" checked?
You got my hopes up there for a minute mate. The box was unchecked, so I checked it and tried again - no dice. Back and forth a couple of times - even tried transposing back and forth to see if an automatic process would help but again, no dice.
Thanks for trying.
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Can you get the file to me?
Maybe post it somewhere and provide the URL here?
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G'day Mac,
PM with link sent.
--=-- My credo: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing - just ask my missus, she'll tell ya --=--You're only paranoid if you're wrong!
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PM with link to my meddling with your file sent back atcha.
See if that's the notation you want.
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G'day Mac,
thanks but the quaver on the 4th beat - the one that was an F# - should be a Gb (the flat should be unnecessary because of the accidental on the previous G - but you know that) instead of a Gnat and the G on the end should be the Gnat.
The problem is purely a matter of enharmonic spelling and I don't seem to be able to correct it.
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Perhaps biab could import and export notation by using the MusicXML format. Then users can choose whichever complying notation program they prefer. Finale and Sibelious both support the format.
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G'day Al,
reasonable suggestion, but I use BIAB primarily as a rehearsal tool and want the notation to be "right" when I'm playin' along - especially when it's a new tune that I don't know yet.
I really don't need to spend the kind of money that Sibelius and Finale attract - especially when I have a much cheaper tool in NoteWorthy Composer that fulfills my notation requirements nicely.
I use the 2 tools for different purposes, though I am starting to use BIAB to help create the arrangements I do in NWC.
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I think its always stuck in "Use chord scale for enharmonics" mode...
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I am not trying to send a chordal structure, just a melody line, lyrics and the chord letters (C, F#7, Gdim etc.)
I would also hazard a guess that the midi file would also have no indications of returns, repeats, DS al coda etc. The "notation software" would have no clue on how to print the fake sheet. Likely I would only get an unfolded version of the song which is definitely not what I am looking for.
Somehow that just seems a long way round to solve a BIAB problem
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