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G'day Mac,
thanks but the quaver on the 4th beat - the one that was an F# - should be a Gb (the flat should be unnecessary because of the accidental on the previous G - but you know that) instead of a Gnat and the G on the end should be the Gnat.
The problem is purely a matter of enharmonic spelling and I don't seem to be able to correct it.
I just PM'd you the file again. This time it is what you want to see.
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G'day Mac,
OK, downloaded it and looks good. Thanks mate. What did I miss?
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I had a look at Allanah's file "Basin Street Blues Basins~2.MGU". That looks ok. Ahh... I didn't see Mac's post above me! DEFINITELY time for new glasses 
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G'day Noel, the notes in the file I downloaded were: E F Gb F# Gnat, not E E F Gb Gnat We have different versions. The one I was lookin at is called "- Basin Street Blues.MG2". Mac has posted a screen dump of the version I have with the appropriate correction applied: E F Gb G(b) Gnat. Actually they probably should have been E F F# F(#) G - enharmonically equivalent - but that wasn't how I described it to him. However, I have not found a way to force the enharmonic variant I wanted. HOW do you force the enharmonic equavilalent? Mac has done so and he's said he'll tell me what I'm missing. I wait with bated breath. 
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Ah HA! I found it - aren't context menus wonderful things...
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Notation View, RightClick on the note, pick Edit, in the little Edit window that opens, there is a dropdown to the right "Force Accidental..."
I just wish people wouldn't rush so to knock the program or conclude that a feature is not there in situations like these...
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--=-- My credo: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing - just ask my missus, she'll tell ya --=--You're only paranoid if you're wrong!
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Perhaps biab could import and export notation by using the MusicXML format. Then users can choose whichever complying notation program they prefer. Finale and Sibelious both support the format.
I think you may be right. Not that I know about musicxml, but a web search turned up an interesting article http://www.ddj.com/architect/184405808 - which judging by the name, could be some of your work.
Anyway, I am not technically savvy, but I may give this a try. I was hoping to get this to work with Noteworthy composer since it is cheap, but it looks like it doesn't support Musicxml. Failing that, Finale Printmusic might be an option. I wonder if I would have to add repeats / endings in Finale or if they would come through in the Musicxml code?
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Hi,
I just want to say that BIAB notation is SO close to being really professional. It's great to see that Peter intends on improving this part of the program. I myself have stopped using Finale and Sibelius in favor of BIAB for leadsheets, its quick and looks good. My one BIG suggestion is this>
PLEASE give us the ability to enter notes ala Sibelius or Finale. It takes forever to be dragging notes around and hoping for the best.
Also, a tighter note integration for Triplets, etc would be great.
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PLEASE give us the ability to enter notes ala Sibelius or Finale. It takes forever to be dragging notes around and hoping for the best.
I'd prefer the PG Music way of entering notes - lightning fast. Would even stand Finale and Sibelius in good stead.
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I just want to say that BIAB notation is SO close to being really professional.
It works most of the time but there are problems with the repeats / endings / DS al Coda. It would also be nice to see if something could be done to control staff line spacing. If you have a typical verse chorus song with 3 verses, using repeats or endings you can get the lyrics to stack. However even if the chorus for each iteration is the same, the spacing for the staff lines has to be the same. If we could tighten them up there would be more opportunity to make a cleaner, professional score.
So I agree it's close, but some small problems make the notation so difficult to work with.
By the way, I think the BIAB note entry is much better than dragging notes from a pick-list.
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G'day Dave, Quote:
<snip> I was hoping to get this to work with Noteworthy composer since it is cheap, but it looks like it doesn't support Musicxml. Failing that, Finale Printmusic might be an option. I wonder if I would have to add repeats / endings in Finale or if they would come through in the Musicxml code?
Any thoughts?
FWIW I use Noteworthy Composer all the time. There is a user tool to import MusicXML to NWC2 but no completed tools to export at this stage.
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I'd prefer the PG Music way of entering notes - lightenig fast. Would even stand Finale and Sibelius in good stead.
Same here.
Those who complain about the ingenious method of note entry that PGMusic uses are likely not using it as it was meant to be used IMO. Find out how it is done and that it is completely different from any other by design and it is much faster.
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"Find out how it is done...." Right again, Mac. I like the biab leadsheets better as Ed does. I'm still learning how to enter and edit notation in biab, but even though I can do it in Sibelius, I think that Sibelius is cumbersome somewhat. I haven't used Finale. Many of us are too lazy to take the time to learn new stuff when we already know how to use something else.
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I'd prefer the PG Music way of entering notes - lightning fast. Would even stand Finale and Sibelius in good stead.
I totally agree with the above. I come from Encore and I find that PGMusic's method of note entry is excellent, accurate and fast.
My only comment is that it's not always possible to notate triplets properly. For example, I find it difficult getting a quarter note triplet across 2 beats in 4/4. I have just tried using the style _CSWNGMD.STY (a swing style with triplet resolution, ver2010 # 292). In editable notation mode the notes display properly but when I return to regular notation mode they become two eighth notes followed by a half note.
I didn't buy BIAB for notation, though, so I don't regard it as a problem. For most of the time, a BIAB leadsheet is perfect for what I need.
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Wow, I am glad to hear this discussion on the importance of musical notation. It is so refreshing after being surrounded by people who consider reading music to be TABs or chord letters over words written on a Word document!
I have only just begun tooling around in RB's notation window. I do like the feature of using the vertical lines to slice the quarter note into four parts. One suggestion I would like to add is when adding or modifying notes if the program would not automatically assume that is the only note contained in the measure. For example, if you create a note in the second column of the first beat, it automatically assumes that that note will be held until the end of the measure and adds the notes and ties to the remaining time left in the measure leaving you to undo everything in inside the measure if that is not what you desire to be there.
My logic would be just to simply enter the note without the intuitive process interceding, and then make any modifications such as ties to the following beats if I wish to. Sometimes I like to add a rest. Currently, I have to delete the added notes and ties to then insert my rest note. I know this is probably asking to step back from its progression. But, for me this process best works in the KISS mode.
I do agree that it is a great feature. I know with the many plates spinning to keep this product working as well as it does, there are naturally going to be some features that slip behind in the race. But, keep up the great work! PG Music is an awesome product!
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Sometimes I like to add a rest. Currently, I have to delete the added notes and ties to then insert my rest note.
No you don't. BIAB adds extra duration to the notes on the idea that you would just shorten what you don't need. That includes adding new notes, as well as rests. When you want a rest, just hit the REST button and then click on where you want the rest. The remaining duration goes away just like when you click on a new note in the middle of that extended duration. If you want another note after the rest, just click on the staff again, and the rest will adjust accordingly.
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In editable notation mode the notes display properly but when I return to regular notation mode they become two eighth notes followed by a half note.
Set 'Tick Offset' to zero in the Notation Options and you get appropriate triplets.
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Set 'Tick Offset' to zero in the Notation Options and you get appropriate triplets.
Thanks, Martin. That worked a treat. I'd never have discovered that. Do you know a way to get 1/4 note triplets in an EV style? I've tried setting each beat's resolution to '3' (right-clicking on the cursor above the beat) but end up getting dotted 1/8 note triplets tied.
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