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Like I asked, is there any word on when the issue about rendering RT's without the DXI thing going on is going to be fixed?
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BTW I'm using Windows XP SP3.
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Hi Mile. I don't quite understand. Real Tracks are simply wave files once they're imported. If you have BIAB or Real Band then you have the VSC DXi synth that comes with these programs. Just open the DXi plugin and add the VSC. Then you'll have the ability to render waves and midis to a 2 track song file.
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Mile,
I believe that the latest version of Band In A Box does not require a DXi or VSTi to be installed to render files from Real Tracks.
I haven't tried this, so I don't know for sure, but you can try it if you have the latest version.
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From beta testing, I recall that I think we do still need to select a DXi, and this is being worked on. I might have missed the fix in one of the updates, though.
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I can't see any reason why having a Vsti/DXi loaded should be a problem. What on earth do you do when you load a style with a midi piano, or a midi bass, or midi strings? Unless there is something I'm mising, I can't see what the fuss is about - so you can't render RTs without a Vsti/DXi? Why is this such a problem?? You can't load BAIB without windows ... You can't load BAIB without fonts .. You can't load BAIB without a soundcard driver ...
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RT/RDs are Wave files. Midi requires a Synth in order for the Midi Tracks to be converted into Wave files. The VSTi/DXi plugin Synths such as Forte allow Midi Tracks to be rendered directly. Other Synths external or internal such as Ketron SD2, Creative Card Soundfonts require Midi to be recorded in realtime via the system soundcard.
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Fifer.. Chill Man. It for those of us who use 64 bit o/s. The Dxi isn't working unless you for out for Coyote, and I have a Ketron SD2 so I don't need a Dxi synth I won't use and don't want to pay for it.
As we say in French my trusty frere (ya from old lange syne..) c'est tout.
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I can't see any reason why having a Vsti/DXi loaded should be a problem. What on earth do you do when you load a style with a midi piano, or a midi bass, or midi strings? Unless there is something I'm mising, I can't see what the fuss is about - so you can't render RTs without a Vsti/DXi? Why is this such a problem?? You can't load BAIB without windows ... You can't load BAIB without fonts .. You can't load BAIB without a soundcard driver ...
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First of all, the question was,"rendering RT's without the DXI thing going on is going to be fixed?" and that is what some of us want to know because this is one of the new features in BB 2010 right?. I for one am not using BB for rendering midi to wave and not using VSTi/DXi cause some bottle neck in my system when rendering RT's. So, this is not a big deal to you, but it is for others. Works for you?, good for you, but your not the generalized user. Other's might have different needs and when it's offered in a new update it should work. So if you read the first question in this post, it not asking how to get around a problem not using DXi, it's asking when will this new feature be fixed. Not important to you, but it is to other user's. Make sence????.
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Thanks Reg for coming to my rescue. Howerver I'm going to say what I had in mind anyway.
Ok, I understand what RT's are and how they work and like John here I'm using a Ketron SD2 also, so I do not use or need any DXI or other synth for now. However, I'm not making any fuss about it, obviously, if you all check on past forum entries about this, it was a concern for a lot of people including me to have to switch to a DXI setting in order to be able to render a Real track directly to wav format in a considerably less time, so much so that one of the new features or "fixes" being listed in the new 2010 version was precisely the ability of rendering the RT's to wav without the need to switch to a DXI. I also know that you need some kind of midi output for the files to be recorded (although not an expert by any means I'm not that "green" nether). besides if you only create a song using only RT's plus you record your own instrument, guess what, you don't need DXI nether. The missing point for some is that that was supposed to have been change for the better, and if fact I think it will (never disappointed by PG yet). I just wanted to know if there is a progress on fixing it. And yes Fifer, you may not know this but, the switching back and forth from DXI to hardware module in a successive way sometimes causes the names of the render files to "stick", and before you realize it you are overwriting files of different tracks. That's why it's a nuisance, at least one of them. "Et ca c'est tout aussi pour moi (like John would say in french)
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Matt already posted what I was going to say: Quote:
From beta testing, I recall that I think we do still need to select a DXi, and this is being worked on. I might have missed the fix in one of the updates, though.
I'll just add that I don't think there has been an update addressing this problem.
Certainly not a kill, I can still get the work done by invoking a DXi, but it is indeed mentioned as one of the New Features not to have to deal with that just to get a few already processed RealTracks...
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OK I just checked - my synth is a hardware card. I have the new 2010. I tried to save an RT to wav - guess what - I still have to check the DXi synth even though I don't need to use the DXi voices. A little deflating isn't it - I have to change my synth in order to save an RT as a wave file . . . . and then change it back again so my midi voices sound like the XG voices they're supposed to sound like. Another reason I upgraded gone down the tubes.  Ian
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I guess, "this is being worked on" doesn't matter...
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For those of us who use DAWs (Sonar, etc) it's not really an issue. I'll just drag and drop the RT's & Rd's straight from BIAB into my DAW. No rendering necessary. Should work with RB as well, AFAIK.
It's a workaround for not needing DXI, for me, anyway.
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I have exactly the same problem. I have a Yamaha SW1000 which has all my midi voices on the on-board the sound card. Whenever I want to render the RT to an audio track I have to go through the process of picking a Dxi or VST Midi Driver in order to render the file. Once this is done, I have to go, yet again, back into the options and remove the Dxi or VST Midi Driver in order to use my on board sound card.
As a bluegrass musician, I posted earlier about the inability to render the sound of a banjo by using Forte, Virtual Sound Canvas or any other of the 4-5 software synths I have tried over the years. None of them even come remotely close to what I can achieve by using the SW1000. The only SW Synth that can match the SW1000 and its built-in XG sounds is the Yamaha S-YXG50 Soft Synth or the Yamaha S-YXG50 VST Plugin, both of which can cause latency problems like any other piece of software; not to mention the problems in Windows 7. BTW, both of these products were discontinued by Yamaha years ago.
So the main complaint is that we have jump through another hoop each time to render a song to a Wave file by having to invoke a Dxi or VST that I do not want to use and have no care to use at all.
I would not say that my upgrade was 'down the tubes' at all. What BIAB has achieved in its evolution is nothing less then amazing, especially if you remember what it used to be like back the days of DOS and Floppy Disks!
This is just another minor bug the I am sure PG Music will fix down the road.
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 Hey jcland - Nice to have input from another XG user - I actually use the DB50XG daughterboard on a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz - I've tried to find an inexpensive SW - best on e-bay has been approx $250. Guess I was being slightly melodramatic the other day. I've used BIAB since the early 90s and I'm a firm believer in what it's accomplished. "Jumping through hoops" to render RT tracks to waves about describes the process. On several occasions I've actually received memory error messages transitioning to the DXi and lost all of the RTs I had developed for that MGU file after the program froze. I can't say I'm crazy about the "XG users should etc" window that keeps opening when I want BIAB to boot in XG mode. . . this has been since before V 12 - if I didn't want XG, why would I ask for it? Anyway the sooner this RT/DXi rendering thing is fixed the better. But I guess XG users will still have to render XG Midi into Wave in realtime. Cheers - Ian
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