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I do however think you owe Mac and Pat Marr an apology in an open forum.
I'm not looking for any apologies from anyone. Liberty means we ALL get to have our own opinions, and I think that's a good thing. ( But, on that same vein, I don't expect to apologize for MY opinion either.)
The issue of a government promoting one ideology and suppressing another is exactly the opposite of freedom, however. Suppression of ideology is the first step in a move toward totalitarianism. See, I AM teachable, because I learned that from history.
No matter which political point of view a person espouses, he/she should be concerned when any government starts to promote ITS OWN ideology rather than allowing the people to nurture what THEY want. And especially when it gets to the point that the media outlet with the point of view most unlike the government's is singled out for punitive action... whoah! Historically, that has been part of a bad trend.
FWIW, Fox isn't losing sponsorship because the PEOPLE are withdrawing from it... the government is actively blackballing them. Among the people, FOX is the most watched news, and that is significant.
And let me say at this point that I don't watch Fox at all ever. I'm no fan of Rupert Murdoch. But I don't like what's going on. THe government should NOT be actively undermining private media because they don't like the message. That's the whole reason for freedom of speech.
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Ditto.
I've got a thick skin from these kind of things happening over the years, just let it stand as-is, any reasonable person can judge the resorts to personal attack for themselves as the sign of someone without real argument.
But -- Thanks much for the defense, Bobcflatpicker! As I said before, I like the way you think...
--Mac
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Pat,
The only reason I suggested that Brad apologize to you and Mac was that it was a personal attack against all 3 of us. I didn't like seeing Brad take out his frustrations on you and Mac.
And I don't get get my "news" from Fox either. I read the news on both liberal and conservative sites everyday. Then I make up my own mind based on what I've read. The only televised news I watch is local, unless there is a national emergency. Unfortunately, there is no unbiased reporting.
I just wish that people wouldn't deningrate others when they really don't know where they're coming from.
Take care my friend,
Bob
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Will do Mac. I just didn't like anyone speaking ill of you. You do more than anyone else to try to help anyone you can on these forums, (and no doubt, elsewhere too), so I thought I would speak up. Keep on keepin' on with the music. Chow down on some of those great crab cakes for me. Bob 
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You have a point, Bob, and you too, Pat... I wasn't actually thinking of Mac -- because I agree whole-heartedly with your praise of him -- but apologies to him as well. If he was offended, I am sorry... but I doubt he was.
No, I am very sorry that I let some of my disgusted feelings from other areas spill over, and I did lump people together. It was that video -- that unfair, destructive racist piece of work, that seemed to collect all the nasty cliches of the last few years and shove them all in our faces -- in the service of "humor." I am a devotee of satire and parody, but this sort of nasty stuff, IMO, is just purely destructive. And don't let anybody tell you it's not fundamentally racist, as Jimmy Carter recently suggested. The video starts with a dust bowl photo of a starving white family, and quickly cuts to a beautiful steaming plate of ... soul food. The message is thinly disguised but clear. In the words of David Duke from a few years ago: "Wake up white people." This, IMO, is completely irresponsible, being fed at the top by corporate money and political ambition and greed, angling toward the fall elections. Oh, I know, the guy who made the video was probably fueled by resentment that he had lost his job, but we have no idea why that was. It seems a little silly -- even dumb -- to blame Obama. And that's just the first ten seconds. I was waiting for the crosses on the lawn. It was honestly disappointing to see Mac support that video. And remembering your extremely nasty and completely unnecessary rant against global warming a short while ago, yes, I had you in mind -- not to mention Peter Green. (Insert smiley here.)
I agree with Pat Marr... nothing can ever be completely unbiased. But I would like to think that the actual purpose of tax dollars is to provide a relatively sane and balanced forum for seeking reconciliation and the truth, and I honestly think that NPR/PBS strives to do that, and succeeds pretty well, despite what you think. I don't really understand, beyond providing news, what you think their "agenda" might be, but you sound very sure of yourself. Maybe you can explain it in a private message. They are not MSNBC (or FOXNews), and I do find it personally offensive to pretend that they are because I have indeed given them some personal funds over the years.
One other point. Right now, feelings are high, polarization is rampant, and people are leaving office, throwing up their hands in disgust about what is going on. I keep imagining that Obama is gonna just quit, saying, "I can't deal with this sh*t, I'm goin' back to Chicago." The government seems paralyzed and there's plenty of blame to go around. Let's not fight. I remember how unpleasant this forum got during the 2008 election cycle, and I would hate for that to happen again.
This place is for music, very valuable to me, and all of us, and when these flaming things occur it just turns people off. I know I am gonna give it a rest for awhile. Along the same lines, I am struggling NOT to listen to news lately. It's all just too discouraging. Boogie on. Now, I have to get back to work.... Obama hasn't yet stolen my job.
Although I will not be able to give up Jon Stewart, I know.
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Brad,discussing politics will always throw up different and at times aggressive views (that statement isnt pointed at anyone here).Im a big Fox fan and I live in the UK.Beck is apparently the second favourite tv presenter after Oprah in the US so a hell of a lot of Americans must watch his show.In the UK we have a very biased and left leaning BBC and is the reason why a lot of people here watch Fox.CNN MSNBC etc are in decline because of their left leaning presentation and they are just not networkswith balanced views.Hannity always has on his show Democrats who put up stiff arguments against him so does O Reilly.I just dont see that on CNN MSNBC etc they arealways it seems to me anyway "preaching to the converted". I dont agree with everything that Fox puts out but I agree with them more than I disagree.Cheers Frankie 
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Brad, I’m not speaking for anyone but myself, so therefore I’ll quote myself from my very first post on this thread: Quote:
I definitely don't want to get into a political discussion.
I try not to “blend” threads, but I’m sure I’ve been guilty of doing so. But for the record, I wasn’t speaking up for myself, I was speaking up for my friends.
There are some of those friends that I truly wished they didn’t live so far away because I’m sure we would have some great jam sessions and some great discussions.
Bob
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Bob:
OK, I think I get it. It just went back and reviewed some of your earlier posts, and flames, and insults, and basic muckraking. You are a provocateur (apologies for the French word... I know how you feel about them, and the Scots, and the Canucks, and, and...).
It seems clear to me that you enjoy this sort of contentious debate, that it is play for you, getting someone riled, and then playing the "my friends" and "Merry Christmas," and "have a few beers" role. Sorry, I am not playing.
Have fun.
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Brad,
You obviously have some issues you need to deal with.
Good luck.
Bob
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Brad, I have to give you one thing. It's the first time I've ever been called a "provocateur". I'll have to add that to the list! LOL. Bob
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The only reason I suggested that Brad apologize to you and Mac was that it was a personal attack against all 3 of us. I didn't like seeing Brad take out his frustrations on you and Mac.
Bob
I understand completely, and I appreciate your support! And I hope my method of reply did not come across as though I was withholding support from you, because I think we have much in agreement. As Mac says, I like the way you think.
Regarding the polarity of thought: I have always found it interesting that intelligent people can come to different conclusions. I mean serious, honest, soul searched different conclusions... the kind people are willing to fight for.
But If I am honest in my belief in free speech, then it makes sense to avoid fighting over the differences and engage the friendship instead. I like all the people in this forum. Many of the opinions here are not the same as mine, but then, many of their songs are different than I would have written too. I see that as an OK thing. We don't all need to have the same opinion on all issues in order to get along..
Ultimately the best ideas stand on their own two feet.. they don't win because of superior argument, they win because they work, and the other idea doesn't. For that reason, I see no need to fight. Truth and common sense always win in the end whether everyone agrees or not.
But the WISE man lines his thinking up with truth and common sense
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I hope my method of reply did not come across as though I was withholding support from you, because I think we have much in agreement. As Mac says, I like the way you think.
It didn't come across that way at all.
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But If I am honest in my belief in free speech, then it makes sense to avoid fighting over the differences and engage the friendship instead. I like all the people in this forum. Many of the opinions here are not the same as mine, but then, many of their songs are different than I would have written too. I see that as an OK thing. We don't all need to have the same opinion on all issues in order to get along..
I couldn't agree more. I just wish that when there are disagreements and a debate ensues, that things could be debated without resorting to insults and name calling. I enjoy a good natured debate, but not the insults.
But I do have to say that the names I was called on this thread were very creative. If was keeping a list, there would definitely be some new additions. LOL.
Bob 
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Hey, I was listening to NPR this evening - trying to put on my 'bias sensitivity' ears (trust me I know how to wear them!) and again I state my case that when I am honest about things, some (not all) of the reporting on NPR provides a very balanced approach to the news. There was an interesting (read - longer than 30 second sound bite) about a Conservative PAC convention going on that the 'regular' news did not even cover. When the segment started I thought, 'Oh, here it comes', but have a listen for yourself if you have 3 minutes and 44 seconds to spare: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123857374This followed a somewhat long interview with the co-chairs of the panel President Obama has tapped to reduce the deficit. Again, a much more in-depth report than what you get anywhere on the news sans talking heads shows. There are shows that air on NPR stations that are wacko-left like "Democracy Now", but for the most part, I still think they do a pretty darned good job.
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Scott,
That was an interesting clip. All Things Considered was one of my favorites years ago when I listened to NPR a lot. They do cover some things that you won't hear anywhere else. They were locked in as a favorite on my radio dial.
I started drifting away from NPR during Clinton's second term, (aka his main scandal years), as they started shifting farther and farther left. At the same time, I was becoming more conservative. Their support of Clinton was unconditional, and they hammered anyone who had anything negative to say about him. I actually voted for Clinton twice, but I couldn't condone his behavior. I changed parties midway through Clinton's second term.
NPR is not without it's merits, which for me are mostly musical. But I actually do miss some of their non-political coverage. So, to each his own.
Take care Scott and thanks for the clip.
Bob
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Democracy now lasted about 2 weeks on our local radio station. They gave someone their money back and it went away. I'm a bird. Yup. Stuck between the left wing and the right wing. And I can at altitude favour one or the other wing and make turns. Very cool.
I have been spotted tilting at windmills. My old son took to calling crazy Don, and I was baffled until he mentioned the windmills.
La Mancha is in my travel plans if the creak don't rise too much.
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John, I suspect that you've read about birds and wind farms, (aka, windmills). They get chopped up. So they either need to fly to the left or to the right. Down the middle is never good. At least with this analogy. Bob
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So they either need to fly to the left or to the right. Down the middle is never good. At least with this analogy.
there is a saying that "there has never been a great moderate", that the shakers and movers of history have always been pushing an extreme point of view that led to change, and therefore to life as we know it now. And while I would agree that deviating from the center is the way to get change, it is worth noting that historically, change almost always is accompanied by violence.
Change is inevitable. What conservatives seek is to slow it down, letting it happen at a safe pace. and what liberals seek is to speed it up. The very terms "liberal" and "conservative" are based on the degree of change each group seeks.
From my perspective, The difference between a candle and a stick of dynamite is the rate of combustion. Change can happen so fast that it is disruptive. Or, it can happen slowly enough to shed light.
I don't want to be so closed-minded that I cannot endure change when it comes, but I also don't want to recklessly throw gasoline on the candle until the whole room is on fire. I see moderation as a good thing, a tempering influence that creates a buffer between the forces that would engage in battle if they had the opportunity, and in so doing, involve us all in a fight we don't want.
If there were more moderate Muslims, they would rein in the radicals. but every time a moderate Muslim surfaces, they kill him because the radicals WANT to push the envelope, they WANT to fight. I would go so far as to say that ANYBODY who takes an extreme position IS INDEED LOOKING FOR A FIGHT. I grow tired of people who profess to be peaceniks, but who take the most extreme positions on every topic. When words don't line up with actions, believe the actions. These people DO want a fight, and their actions reveal the hypocrisy of their words.
Jesus was a moderate, and they killed him too. "Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall see God" (usually sooner rather than later) Funny that it always seems to be the people in the middle who don't want a fight that get caught in the crossfire.
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Pat,
I think you may have misunderstood my analogy. Far left or far right is never good.
But you have to pick a direction.
Although I am a "conservative", I disagree with the fundamentalist's and right wingers on so many things that they would accuse me of being a liberal. I was raised as a "democrat", and it broke my dad's heart when I became a republican.
You have to pick a side, even if you don't agree with all of the policies of that side. The 2 party system barely works in our society. A 3 party system would probably lead to anarchy.
Those of us who are open minded, regardless of our party affiliation, can help that respective party to a reasonable stance. If we stand in the middle as "moderates", then neither side will listen to us.
Just my opinion.
Take care,
Bob
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I think you may have misunderstood my analogy. Far left or far right is never good.
But you have to pick a direction.
Although I am a "conservative", I disagree with the fundamentalist's and right wingers on so many things that they would accuse me of being a liberal. I was raised as a "democrat", and it broke my dad's heart when I became a republican.
You have to pick a side, even if you don't agree with all of the policies of that side. The 2 party system barely works in our society. A 3 party system would probably lead to anarchy.
Those of us who are open minded, regardless of our party affiliation, can help that respective party to a reasonable stance. If we stand in the middle as "moderates", then neither side will listen to us.
Just my opinion.
Take care,
Bob
My bad, Bob...
In rereading my post I see that it came across as a rebuttal of yours, but that was not my intent. I think you and I agree pretty much 100% ... you haven't posted anything yet that I would not have said almost the same thing.
But in the spirit of point-counterpoint, it is my tendency to reply according to this pattern:
"we agree that xxxx is true... however, consider that yyy may also be true..."
This can be seen as a moderating approach, or it may also be seen as disagreement. I rarely seek to openly disagree... my approach is usually to offer a modifying thought to the equation.
as far as picking a direction, I pick the conservative point of view (difference in KIND of thinking) but I tend to pursue it in ways that lead to cooperation rather than competition (difference in DEGREE of action)
You're my brother man... thanks for helping me to communicate more effectively. I am a notoriously bad communicator, sending a contorted message almost all the time. Please continue helping me to say it better.
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Pat,
Please feel free to speak to me in a PM or post if you think I'm taking a too hard of a line.
To quote you, (You're my brother man... thanks for helping me to communicate more effectively.)
I'm with you 100%.
Bob
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2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAK Sets On Sale Now - Until May 15, 2026!
All of our XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs are on sale until May 15th, 2026!
It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!
The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.
The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!
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