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Are you kidding? MME is glitchy and horrible especially as you add more and more real tracks to the music. ASIO runs flawlessly and there are no latency issues.
While I, too, find that my particular setup and soundcard will run the ASIO just fine, there really are those who cannot get them to work properly. Might be the chosen soundcard, might be the drivers, might be the OS and tweaking, might be the host program or any combination of those stopping the show.
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I'll even take WDM drivers over MME, but BIAB does not offer them. They really need to correct these issues.
Well, unless you are running an OS that is early Win 98 or something, when you pick "MME" inside pgmusic products, you are really running your WDM drivers anyway. There aren't any MME drivers to run in XP and later, only WDM.
Why pgmusic continues to call it, "MME" is the question -- and I've asked it in the past.
I think they should just change the label to "Windows Sound Drivers" and that would cover it all.
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Thanks Mac! I didn't know about BIAB calling their WDM drivers MME. I guess the output of what I'm hearing could probably sound much worse if it was really MME.
I use all the latest gear since I am a computer tech and build my own music systems from the ground up, so even with the external audio interface that I'm using (M-Audio Fast Track Pro) the ASIO just isn't cooperating.
I'm going to try Frank's method that I read early on in this forum tonight to see if it works for me.
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WOW, Just read through all of this and am wondering will I actually be able to get this stuff to work! I just ordered the m-audio fast track II from Sweetwater in the hopes of being able to use a softsynth in real time with BIAB. The rep there was certain that by adding the interface I would solve my problems. I'm not sure that ASIO is the problem but rather that Asio4All may be my problem. In any case I'm waiting with bated breath for the interface to come in (Its on back order) so I can try to do what many of you are already doing. One of the big problems is that all of the software companies promise ease of use but then start offering more and more features that make the software more and more difficult. BIAB is easy to use if all you are doing is entering in some chords and playing back that simple track. It becomes very complicated when you start adding the extra features.
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BB sholuld work fine with ASiO4ALL, Ed, matter of fact BB was *optimized* for use with ASIO4ALL several versions back.
Problems may arise due to OS choice along with softsynth choice and OS tweak settings, something like that is what I'm thinking.
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Mac, If I install ASIO4All on my system will I be able to use that driver in place of the ASIO drivers that are set up to work with my M-Audio Fast Track Pro audio interface?
Reason I'm asking is because presently BIAB 2010 does not work with my M-Audio device unless it is configured for MME (or WDM as we know it to really be).
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Mac, If I install ASIO4All on my system will I be able to use that driver in place of the ASIO drivers that are set up to work with my M-Audio Fast Track Pro audio interface?
Yes. The ASIO4ALL actually functions as a "wrapper' that converts your chosen sound device's WDM Windows drivers to act as ASIO.
It is okay to install ASIO4ALL right alongside your soundcard's existing drivers, just be sure to pick the ASIO4ALL in the host program's picker window.
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Mac, I have read this thread from cover to cover. I did not even know until now that there was a latency issue recording live with BiaB. I guess I haven't got enough BiaB under my belt yet. However, as I do not look forward to dealing with this issue in the immediate future ...
I have a new Quad-Core, Q8300 Multimedia PC that I bought just especially for music recording and performance. I have Windows-7 64-bit (all up to date), 6GB DDR3, 750GB HDD. I recently purchased and installed BiaB 2010 MegaPak (also up to date).
Q1: I've been told by various others that I should NOT use the internal sound on my PC -- That it could cause problems and secondly, that it would be to my advantage to purchase a higher-end sound card given I want high-quality sound output and input. I have PCI and PCIe slots available. If I were to go out and purchase a new sound card for my new PC on my new operating system, what do you feel would be a good choice given this discussion about ASIO and the very good likelihood that I will be playing along with BiaB?
Q2: Same question ... M-Audio Interface or something else ? I've seen some positive posts on other forums about the M-Audio 192 card but I'm reluctant to make the jump until I see some additional information about how I might avoid the ASIO issue(s).
Sorry -- long-winded but expected you'd need thoroughness. I was going to create a new thread for this question but it sounds like many users here are extremely knowledgeable with regard to the ASIO issue.
Thanks to everyone in advance for any recommendations you might give me. I may need to move this over to a separate post.
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ikeinblackriver www.zzounds.comhas a complete list of sound devices from very cheap to expensive. as to how well a sound device performs depends on many variables. the type of connection (fw/usb/pci) , chipset (for example some fw audio devices dont like non TI fw chipsets), how well the drivers of the sound device perform etc etc. you can see for example what fw chipset you have in your quad by looking under ieee properties in control panel. with pci sound devices , as your a puter bloke, youll understand bandwidth. viz ...i recommend , if useing a pci sound device not to have other bandwidth hogging devices in pci slots. in the past a main culprit often was tv tuner cards for example locking out the pci sound device. thus leading to cliks n pops. its really important you go into your needs in more detail. eg..are you going to be at some point useing a daw software to reecord lots of audio inputs ?? or just always one at a time ?? often people have to try several devices , so make sure any device you can return for a full refund. as your on w7 check carefully for driver compatability. maudio 2496 sound device (pci) is only 90 buks in some places. but youll have to test with your specific system with w7 etc etc. i recommended it to someone recently n the bloke loves it. but whether it will work well for you..too many variables.
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Q1: I've been told by various others that I should NOT use the internal sound on my PC -- That it could cause problems and secondly, that it would be to my advantage to purchase a higher-end sound card given I want high-quality sound output and input. I have PCI and PCIe slots available. If I were to go out and purchase a new sound card for my new PC on my new operating system, what do you feel would be a good choice given this discussion about ASIO and the very good likelihood that I will be playing along with BiaB?
Q2: Same question ... M-Audio Interface or something else ? I've seen some positive posts on other forums about the M-Audio 192 card but I'm reluctant to make the jump until I see some additional information about how I might avoid the ASIO issue(s).
I use the AP 2496 M-Audio PCI card and have no ASIO issues whatsoever.
The 192 is the step up from the 2496, uses the same basic driver set.
Of course, I'm running XP SP3 here still, can't speak to the newer OS.
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Well, I've tried it all and still no success with the ASIO issue. I Tried Farnk's process...no luck, downloaded ASIO 4 All...faileds immeditely when I executed it. Again, I'm only having issues with BIAB 2010 trying to use ASIO. Sonar, Ableton, Reason all run fine with my M-Audio Fast Track Pro.
All drivers up to date on every component on my system, but BIAB 2010 just doesn't like ASIO. Hopefully a fix is in the works, for now I willl live with MME on the BIAB side of things
My machine is an HP Dual Core system with all the bells and whistles and I configured exclusively for music. All was well with all my music programs until I updated from BIAB 2008.5 to 2010. Very strange, but I'm hopeful that a fix is in the works.
Rome wasn't built in one day...
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Does this crash happen when you are using BB in DAW mode for drag 'n drop and the "other" program that utilizes ASIO drivers is already open?
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Nope, no programs are even open. I'm just trying to execute the ASIO 4 All file and it just fails with some error message right off the bat.
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Nope, no programs are even open. I'm just trying to execute the ASIO 4 All file and it just fails with some error message right off the bat.
Oh!
This sounds like something you should be taking up with the M-Audio and ASIO4ALL developers then.
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http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD Quote:
We found a cause for some crashes with ASIO in Band-in-a-Box, that can occur if using the Panic button, or when exiting the MIDI Dialog (after playback has occured).
The simple workaround is to disable the menu item [Play- Panic also resets DXi] . When disabled (no checkbox beside the menu item) the crash no longer occurs.
We'll get a more definitive fix in the next patch release, but the workaround above should accomplish the same thing.
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