Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
"we've all learned the Utility Picker situation is technical and not aesthetics or ergonomics"
Ohh sure it is about aesthetics, ergonomics, sort capability and consistency of workflow. As I understood and hoping it is just a temporary fix until U.Tracks are developed to a proper level. That I can live with.
We're good. PG Staff is on this and it's likely we'll be getting the Main Picker. You missed it in one of my comments but I mentioned I looked at other tutorials and they all used the Main Picker and not the Filtered Picker which I thought was odd.




About this:
"limitations which are perceived and not real"
"If you and others knew of this BIAB capability, you never mentioned it."
I tried your way same day you offered that "workaround" and I found it complex, counter intuitive, clunky, time consuming, technically outdated and I can go on...

Here, you are talking about a different "workaround" than the two I mention in this post. we've never discussed the Song Medley nor the RealTrack Medley in detail. The RealTrack Medley I will discuss in further detail replying to JJJ's post he's made here in this thread. In fact, some great enhancements were made in both 2019 and 2020. And, as noted, you never mentioned it... Neither of the Medley features are complex, counter intuitive, clunky, time consuming or technically outdated. It is true however these features are capable of providing users with complex, advanced song arrangements that many users are unaware the program can produce and thought only achievable using external DAW software.

I'm not sure which other "workaround" you found so difficult but it seems to me to be a perfect fit for further questions and discussion in another thread in order to develop recommendations and Wish List items for improvement and we're missing a great opportunity to help PG staff streamline, modernize, fix GUI's, make BIAB better and more intuitive. I think that yes, this "workaround" is a good process to explore further. It could have possibly been beneficial had you mentioned it, questioned the process and used the techniques more so PG staff would be prompted to look into it further. They do listen - and that includes they listen to you...

I think the elephant in the room is this.
Many long time users know their way around the software.
Which is proof positive that one is never too old to learn. I estimate my knowledge base to learn most of what I know about BIAB to be the equivalent of a day. By a day, I'm defining as 8-10 working hours. Most features, workarounds, processes and techniques can be familiarized in just a few minutes - Many PG Music tutorials are only 1-8 minutes in length including demonstrations... and can be proofed in an additional few minutes of practice and use.

Some of these ways are obsolete. Not the functions that software offers, but the means on how those functions are achieved....through workarounds.
Features and techniques you define as "workarounds" normally turn out to be unadvertised tasks BIAB is capable of doing that users move to a DAW and haven't taken time to learn that BIAB has the capability. Their workflow has always included creating tracks in BIAB and quickly moving the tracks to their DAW of choice. There's simply been no reason in their mind to look further. My opinion is just because you can't do it in BIAB doesn't mean BIAB can't do it. The myth BIAB can't do a task is then repeated here in the forum repeatedly and incomplete knowledge and lack of familiarity with a feature by long time users spreads until the myth is accepted as truth.


It is obvious that PG team tries to accommodate loyal followers and that is perfectly understandable.
However I find absurd resisting valid requests. Hopefully common ground is found without unnecessary tensions. Most of us are alive, and that's what matters the most, right?

It is. I'm sure PG Team tries to accommodate ALL followers as best they can.

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