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Just a quick note to tell you too that I really enjoyed this discussion. Out of curiosity I went to listen to Jim's production on SoundCloud and I understand much better what he does, what he happens to do. It's just superb. And we can hear all the mixed parts or not of RT Medley. Really well done for this queue and thank you again. I'm less ignorant, and that's always good.
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Hi Marco. Thanks for letting us know you found this topic helpful. I'm hoping others did too and will take a look at the RT Medley. The RT Medley's value has not diminished with the release of BIAB version 2021 and the introduction of the new Utility Tracks. Fact is, it's more valuable than ever as the Utility Tracks provide new options, easy storage of RT Medleys and bumps the number of instruments and tracks to enormous totals.
Thanks too for taking time to listen to my example song and don't overlook that the song was recorded and arranged back in 2017 on a older version of BIAB and certainly not on a computer anyone could define as a power PC and Windows 10. RT Medley's should work with anybody's computer system.
Your comments brightened my day. Have a good day,
Charlie
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..Thanks for letting us know you found this topic helpful. I honestly didn't read it all as there was so much, maybe a video would make it easier to digest ? or some gif's ??
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There are more Fogles around than you can shake a stick at!
Well if you are so inclined to shake sticks at Fogles.
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As thread starter, I should probably write something...
No, I do not mind that initial concern weathered down. I would probably delete everything on top to the point where Andrew replied on topic of "UT Picker".
It was an interesting, and in some points tense discussion.
We can argue till we turn blue on what things should be "called", but in reality it makes little or no difference. I think the strongest argument JJJ made which was concise and precise and which I will side with him was:
"It is always the responsibility of the designer to observe how users use (or do not use) something and adjust for that. Building an awesome thing that most people don't know how to or want to use is a design fail."
Can it be changed for the better? Sure it can.
P.S. Charlie, very nice track btw.
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It would also be great if the Utility Tracks, once generated into a real track, could have the same options as a real track, including the ability to mute and restart instruments at any measure in the song.
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..Thanks for letting us know you found this topic helpful. I honestly didn't read it all as there was so much, maybe a video would make it easier to digest ? or some gif's ?? Totally agree and would have likely been better to have moved the conversation to the Recording Forum but it's run it's course and maybe folks can find it embedded into this thread. In the past you've given me several good video editor links and a gif link but as far as the video, my PC has struggled and I never gave gif's a fair shake at learning that software. I have also approached several YouTube Tutorial channel owners and video bloggers but with no success. They all have workflows that include DAW's and are die hard DAWser's.  Maybe some that have interest will post a request in the I'd like a Video Forum...
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There are more Fogles around than you can shake a stick at!
Well if you are so inclined to shake sticks at Fogles. Not many in number but all are certainly 'wordy'
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Just a quick note to tell you too that I really enjoyed this discussion. Out of curiosity I went to listen to Jim's production on SoundCloud and I understand much better what he does, what he happens to do. It's just superb. And we can hear all the mixed parts or not of RT Medley. Really well done for this queue and thank you again. I'm less ignorant, and that's always good. Marco I appreciate the compliment but I believe you meant to say Charlie. But don't worry, we don't mind when people get our names mixed up. I wish I had Charlie's talent and he wishes he had my brains! 
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<< "It is always the responsibility of the designer to observe how users use (or do not use) something and adjust for that. Building an awesome thing that most people don't know how to or want to use is a design fail." >>
The Utility Picker is a work in progress and there's no argument PG Staff is on it and adjusting to how even users who maybe were unaware of it's existence and users that had trouble with how it's used or didn't use the feature. Anybody that knows how to open a RealTrack in the BIAB Mixer will know how to use the RealTrack Medley tool so there's no issue with the design nor implementation of using it.
The Medley feature has been around for many years and was enhanced and upgraded both in 2019 and 2020 versions. The Medley window tracks are as 'real' as the BIAB Mixer tracks or any RealBand tracks and even any DAW tracks. The Medley feature was prominently mentioned in the yearly New Features videos both years - and I agree somewhat that designers have to be acquainted with the wants and needs to how users implement new features, nothing can be done beyond what PG staff has done to make users aware of the Medley Feature.
<< Can it be changed for the better? Sure it can. >>
It should not be long before an better and enhanced Utility Picker is introduced and I wouldn't be surprised to see improvements made to the Main RealTrack Picker.
<< P.S. Charlie, very nice track btw. >>
Thank you. It's the track where I first introduced my experience and use of the Medley feature and completed a song with more than 8 tracks and a fairly complex arrangement and although mentioned that in my Forum post in the Users Showcase, it only had one poster comment on the fact. Mind you, that song was done early in 2017 long before the 2019/20 upgrades and enhancements.
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I wish I had Charlie's talent and he wishes he had my brains!
ill just wait for the talent plugin due in 2023
Hey what ever happened to Jerry Fogle. i spend what seemed like a life time listening to his foolishness in study hall back in 10th grade at Orangeburg Wilkinson high.
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<< Hey what ever happened to Jerry Fogle. i spend what seemed like a life time listening to his foolishness in study hall back in 10th grade at Orangeburg Wilkinson high. >>
Orangeburg is the area where the Fogle's originally settled on coming to South Carolina. My Grandfather and his brother left the Orangeburg area in 1923 for Horry County where they both purchased farms. There's ton's of them in the Orangeburg area still today. Your friend Jerry sounds like a 'true' Fogle with acting out in study hall. There's surely some kinship between us but I don't personally know him.
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