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David,
A surprise- vocaloid pop with emotion- your write and process have produced a lovely song.
If I heard it with human voices,I might recall The Carpenters best work.
A big thumbs up!
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I'm not sure what I am hearing here but, if I understand it correctly, this is your vocals disguised as a woman's voice and a different male vocal. Is that it? I love it. I think the woman's voice is absolutely real sounding. That was such a bright pretty song. It remind me of Nico singing with the Velvet Underground. So cool.
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Really pretty song David!! I'm surprised how much I like the vocaloid thing.....conveys the emotion better than I would have thought. A really nice write and good production!! Thanks, Greg! I appreciate this, especially coming from you. Glad you could stop by for a listen. 
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David,
A surprise- vocaloid pop with emotion- your write and process have produced a lovely song.
If I heard it with human voices,I might recall The Carpenters best work.
A big thumbs up! Hi, Robert. Thanks! I especially appreciate the Carpenters reference. I'll see what I can do about getting "real" vocals on it someday.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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I'm not sure what I am hearing here but, if I understand it correctly, this is your vocals disguised as a woman's voice and a different male vocal. Is that it? Not quite. It's all synthetic. The software that I used, Synthesizer V, has an English voice bank called "Emily Forte", which is based on a female voice. By "synthetic", I mean that it comes from the computer program. The basis of that voice is a human's, chopped up into phonemes, and then cleverly reassembled. It's very much like how BiaB constructs a guitar solo from chunks of audio. Only the phonemes in Synthesizer V are stored in a non-audio format that makes it possible to stretch their duration and shift their pitch and avoid the sort of artifacts you get when you stretch and pitch shift audio. And like BiaB, the program does all the work for you.  The higher voice - doing the counter lines - that's the "woman's" voice is the "normal" Emily Forte voice that comes with Synthesizer V. The lower voice - on the melody - that's the "male" vocal, a modified version of the Emily Forte voicebank. There's an option in the software to change the "gender" of the voice, which basically shifts the position of the formants lower for a more "male" sounding voice, as well as modifying some other values. But the position of the formants is the main factor. I also changed the "male" voice so it was less loud, and more breathy than the default voice settings. But it's still the "Emily Forte" voice. I love it. I think the woman's voice is absolutely real sounding. Thanks! Honestly, Synthesizer V did most of the work. It remind me of Nico singing with the Velvet Underground. I just had a listen to Nico's cover of These Days by Jackson Browne. I can see where you're making the comparison. There are some vowels that are just a bit "off" from where they should be. But Nico's voice is certainly a lot huskier than Emily Forte!  Thanks for stopping and commenting!
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I'm not a technical commentator. I also avoid reading what others write before I comment, so I'm not influenced.
All I wanted to say is: this is so well done, in every aspect. You are obviously a pro at production, but you have created a really, really beautiful track from a musical standpoint, I feel ... and, to me, that's all that matters. The lyrics are stunning, the balance of the tracks is wonderful, the actual writing sensitive. A truly pro job in every way. Bravo, sir.
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Hi David,
I think you did well with this song.
By listening to your track I got to think a lot about Synth V, Vocaloid and the other synthesized vocals out there.
I think a part of the problem is that we are comparing with real un-modified human vocals. It will take years before we get there.
I DO think synthesized modulated/modified vocals can be very useful for some kind of music where you only need a single line of lyrics or just chopped vocals. Think ambient, chill, funk, techno, house and stuff like that. In other words: music where the lyrics isn't that important, but more a part of a soundscape or a rhythmic structure.
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All I wanted to say is: this is so well done, in every aspect. You are obviously a pro at production, but you have created a really, really beautiful track from a musical standpoint, I feel ... and, to me, that's all that matters. The lyrics are stunning, the balance of the tracks is wonderful, the actual writing sensitive. A truly pro job in every way. Bravo, sir. Thanks, I really appreciate that!
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I think you did well with this song. Thanks! I think a part of the problem is that we are comparing with real un-modified human vocals. It will take years before we get there. I've got to say, I've been fooled by some Synthesizer V songs. But typically, they've not been English songs. I think the uncanny valley is the factor here - we're very good at hearing problems with voices, and where they are "off". It seems to me that people who have embraced Vocaloids have also embraced the sorts of singing characteristics that make them unnatural. But why not? If you've got an electric guitar, there seems little point in using it like a nylon string guitar.
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Nice backstory.
Reminded me of Alan Parsons song, probably the chording, but funny that later I read that you mentioned Colin Blunstone in a comment, maybe the singer also affected my impression.
Touching lyrics, J&B already mentioned my favorite lines: "The flowers bloomed without you there/They watched the sun/Like nothing's changed"
Beautiful melody and chording, cello works nicely in the mood.
I agree, male's breathy vocal fits well, at first listening it took me some time to notice it was a synthesized vocal. I haven't much followed the current Vocaloid et al. situation, I do still use it to layout the melody, check how it works with the lyrics (even in Finnish - I just use phonemes) and then use it as a guide track for my singing. My first showcased songs were Vocaloid ones, after that I used other singers, but now I'm just using Melodyne, it can fix my terrible voice amazingly well, even when several semitones off tune. Occasionally I still use Vocaloids as backing singers. But I might check Synthesizer V when it sounds even more realistic. I think sometime ago I listened a whole album Elanore Forte singing and it was pretty good.
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I did listen & comment but it seems my post is gaaawwwn now.
Excellent work with the synth voice - the harmony one work best but the main is pretty good and pushes the boundaries again.
Well done.
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Reminded me of Alan Parsons song, probably the chording, but funny that later I read that you mentioned Colin Blunstone in a comment, maybe the singer also affected my impression. Hi, Janne. I'm a big Alan Parsons Project fan myself, so I'll take that as a compliment. Touching lyrics, J&B already mentioned my favorite lines: "The flowers bloomed without you there/They watched the sun/Like nothing's changed"
Beautiful melody and chording, cello works nicely in the mood. Thanks, I appreciate that. I agree, male's breathy vocal fits well, at first listening it took me some time to notice it was a synthesized vocal. I had a similar reaction to hearing Synthesizer V sing in Chinese. I think that we're more attuned to our native language, because we can pick out slight discrepancies. My first showcased songs were Vocaloid ones, after that I used other singers, but now I'm just using Melodyne, it can fix my terrible voice amazingly well, even when several semitones off tune. Same story here. Thanks for your comments!
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I did listen & comment but it seems my post is gaaawwwn now. Hi, Ray. I've had similar experiences. But for me, it's probably that I got distracted and forgot to press the "Submit" button.  Excellent work with the synth voice - the harmony one work best but the main is pretty good and pushes the boundaries again.
Well done. Thanks!
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That's great David! The vocal work is very convincing to me! But all of the talk about your work with the vocals overlooks that fact that this is a very good song! That cello really enhances the overall feel of this! Beautiful production work also! T
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sounds like you've got that synth figured out.
pretty damn good!
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