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The method they (support) described is the 'best' workaround at this point.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Why are you bugged by seeing two waveform. It comes out of your sound card in stereo. There is no such thing as mono anymore. I have never seen a mono sound card.
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For one thing the file is twice as large
Second, regardless of some thoughts on panning stereo signals, the balance of L&R is not kept in the stereo field as well as two mono signals, nor is there as much control over the L&R signals when grouped.
Not all of us who use mono tracks mix in mono <grin>
Got nothing to do with being bugged by seeing it.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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For one thing the file is twice as large
So we have plenty of room these day.
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Second, regardless of some thoughts on panning stereo signals, the balance of L&R is not kept in the stereo field as well as two mono signals, nor is there as much control over the L&R signals when grouped.
Maybe I'm just old but to me panning a streo track or a mono track sounds the same to me if the SOURCE was mono
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Not all of us who use mono tracks mix in mono <grin>
Got nothing to do with being bugged by seeing it.
I don't mix in mono I mix in stereo with everything dead center. I don't do recordings to listen to. I mix for live.
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OK someone needs to teach me this multiple quote thing so the quote is blue and my answer is white.
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OK someone needs to teach me this multiple quote thing so the quote is blue and my answer is white.
Simple...just start with {quote}, enter the quoted text, and end it with {/quote}. (substitute the { and } with [ and ] characters - I used the curly brace so it wouldn't actually quote).
Then, after the {/quote}, enter your answer. When you want to quote a new section, then just enter {quote]Quoted Text{/quote} again (don't forget to substitute the square brackets for the curly ones).
So your response would have looked like this:
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For one thing the file is twice as large
So we have plenty of room these day.
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Second, regardless of some thoughts on panning stereo signals, the balance of L&R is not kept in the stereo field as well as two mono signals, nor is there as much control over the L&R signals when grouped.
Maybe I'm just old but to me panning a streo track or a mono track sounds the same to me if the SOURCE was mono
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Not all of us who use mono tracks mix in mono <grin>
Got nothing to do with being bugged by seeing it.
I don't mix in mono I mix in stereo with everything dead center. I don't do recordings to listen to. I mix for live.
Hope that helps...
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Maybe I'm just old but to me panning a streo track or a mono track sounds the same to me if the SOURCE was mono
True dat
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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John,
Thanks. What I did was hit quote on Rharv's message first. Then added the { Quote} before and after each section with my responses after each section and it came out like above.
Rharv,
"true dat" what me being old or there's no difference to you either. LOL
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OOPS
Didn't notice the the beginning of a quote is {quote}and the end is {/quote} of course using [ & ] instead of {&}
I guess I just answered my own question about being old.
John,
Seeing as you have looked at this post what are your comments about the mono issue?
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My personal feeling is in line with RHarv's on this. I know on another thread, I had requested that we should have the ability to:
1) Split a stereo track to two mono tracks (which can be hard panned left and right for the original stereo separation, or panned as you see fit.
2) Convert a mono track to a stereo track.
3) Merge two (or more) mono tracks to a mono track.
4) Merge two (or more) mono tracks to a stereo track.
5) Merge two (or more) stereo tracks to a stereo track.
6) Merge two (or more) stereo tracks to a mono track.
7) Merge two (or more) mixed tracks to a stereo track.
8) Merge two (or more) mixed tracks to a mono track.
I wouldn't think these would be too difficult to implement, and that should make everyone happy. There are times when I want stereo tracks; there are other times where I want strictly mono tracks. And while yes, storage is cheap, stereo WAV files are still 10MB per minute (mono is half that), so I don't really see the need to double the storage to have the exact same thing on the left channel as the right channel on the same track.
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I've been following this thread with interest. I guess I'm old school or just old, whatever. When I was doing studio work back in the day, or doing live location recording now, nobody used stereo mic's. One mic, one track, all mono, that's it. Yes, there's exceptions like putting 8 drum mic's on a subgroup to two tracks or something but basically one mic, one track. It's up to the engineer to create a stereo field out of that.
Since I'm not doing commercial stuff anymore, having the RT's be stereo tracks can be an intellectual annoyance but I don't really care because they're well mixed and sound good.
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Hi John!
I totally agree with you! Would be nice to have all the possibilities you mention! Hope PG listen in!
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I can relate to the recording notes from Bob above. Bass, vocals, etc IMO should be mono tracks, unless you intentionally record them with effects that require stereo. However, even that stereo signal can be defined by not having it 100% L and R. I often like to have even the stereo tracks split into two mono tracks. It opens up a lot of what you can do with placement in a mix. Want more of the upper piano and less bass so there is less 'mud' in a mix? How about turning up the right channel and cutting the left a bit, and then still being able to put the piano (both upper and lower range) in a well defined spot in the stereo field by being able to point both channels to a narrower area so it sounds more like you are out front hearing a live band as opposed to sitting in the driver seat of the piano (or drums for that matter).
Just one of many examples of when a even a stereo recording can be better handled as two mono tracks..
I know there are other ways tp accomplish what I said, like editing only the left side of a stereo track. RB has quite a few hidden nuggets like that.. but having two mono tracks sure can make a difference to my ears.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Split the Stereo track to two mono tracks and you automatically get a duplicate track to ARCHIVE. Use the Mute button to archive it. Work on the other track. If you do anything destructive that you'd like to start over about at any time, you have the other track, still there, still in the pristine.
Just a thought,
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There is a way of doing this, albeit roundabout, use Audio > Export to copy the stereo file to your work folder and then use Audio > Import to import the wave file clicking "No" to Stereo and then selecting the Mono version.
The best option would be to have a dedicated command to do this.
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It can be done in 2 steps.
Merge-- 1,2,3,4,etc to 10. This will give a stereo track. Then you use the "split stereo track to 2 mono tracks" in the dialog were you choose destination put the same track number in both boxes. It'll change the stereo track to one mono track.
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Hi, John -
I wouldn't have thought of that (using the same destination for both tracks to get a single mono track. Not necessarily intuitive, but it definitely make sense. Thanks for that tip.
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