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That's not what I was after, Pat. Although, of course, I agree.

Alan S. is making the case that "we may have created a self-righteous self-serving religious culture that blames those who can't achieve or adapt to society's demands for personal achievement on account of their supposed spiritual or moral shortcomings" -- and I would like him to state some actual realworld examples of where he has witnessed such occurring.


--Mac





Gotcha. I'd like to see that too.

I realize that what I posted wasn't an answer to the question you had asked , but there was a corollary there that I wanted to capture because the theme of Christianity-as-villain seems to recur in all kinds of discussions. And the answer to that allegation is to show what Christianity DOES teach. If we make a distinction between what religious organizations do and what the bible teaches, the bible never ends up in the wrong.