In BIAB Win 2021 I am looking at the Show Form display. It looks like it could be helpful with song creation and analysis. But I cannot discern what it is showing. Please, Is someone able to share some light on this feature?
I get to the [Show form] button on the Edit Repeats and Endings dialog. It is in the bottom left corner. The Help under Add/Edit Repeats and Endings has a section titled Examining The Form Of A Song. One of the points is that it shows the form in 2-bar sections.
Example song [Chords] | C| F| C| G| C| F| C| G| | C| G| C| F| C F / /| C G / /| C G / /| C F / /|
Show Form display [A] ,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 [A] ,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 [-] ,99
I accept that it might be me, I may simply being too 'tik' to get it today. thanks Roy
I'm not sure if this is the 'Show Form' or the 'Song Form' you are referring to. Song Form is discussed in detail on pager 135 of the 2021 manual (available from BiaB > Help > Program Manuals).
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Thanks for the clarification. In my effort to assist, I searched the manual for the text SHOW FORM and nothing was found.
Perhaps there is missing data in the manual? I'll report it.
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When I click on "Help", and scroll down the topic, I see the following:
Quote:
Examining The Form Of A Song
Right-click on Chord Sheet then select Repeats/Codas/1st- 2nd Endings and click on the [Show form…] button.
This displays a summary of the form of the song as examined by Band-in-a-Box. This is useful for analyzing the form of the song, in case you want to add your own repeats and endings manually, and want a quick summary of the form. Band-in-a-Box shows you the form in 2-bar sections. A typical AABA song might display a form like this.
0, 1, 2, 3
0, 1, 2, 4
5, 6, 7, 8
0, 1, 2, 4
Each of these numbers represents a unique 2 bar section of the song. You can see the first section (0, 1, 2, 3) is similar to the second section (0, 1, 2, 4) in fact they differ only in the last 2 bars. So this would be a good candidate for a 1st/2nd ending. Also the last A section of 0, 1, 2, 4 is identical to the 2nd A section, so would be a good candidate for a DC al Coda symbol.
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*Wherever the same numeral occurs, this means that those two bars of chords defined by their first appearance occur.
*Since your second group of [A] is exactly the same as the first, then the 16 bars are identical to the first group.
Let's say I had the progression...
C|F|C|G|C|C|F|F
First section...
C|F = 0 C|G = 1 C|C = 2 F|F = 3
C|F|C|G|C|Dm|G|C
Second section...
C|F = 0 (this has already been defined) C|G = 1 (also defined above) C|Dm = 4 (it's a new chord pair so it takes a new numeral) G|C = 5 (another new chord pair)
This means, that if I want to use repeats, I could repeat the first 4 bars of the first section and and then jump to a second ending for the last four bars represented by chords 4 and 5.
OK Noel, Thanks for the insight. I am tracking with you on the logical representation of 8 pairs of bars. That is what I was expecting. It becomes a code to represent the sets of chord pairs. In your example the code is from 0 to 5.
Does your example work for you? | C| F| C| G| C| C| F| F| | C| F| C| G| C| Dm| G| C|
I tried it with the 16 chords you proposed. Alas, I get the same output Show Form display [A] ,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 [A] ,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 [-] ,99
OH WAITIF I replicate the 16 bars and make the song 64 Bars long . . . then Show Form displays [A] ,0,1,2,3 [A] ,0,1 ,4,5 [A] ,0,1,2,3 [A] ,0,1 ,4,5 [A] ,0,1,2,3 [A] ,0,1 ,4,5 [A] ,0,1,2,3 [A] ,0,1 ,4,5 [-] ,99
The mystery is a little less mysterious, with the 64 bars it begins to show the Song Form code.
I experimented with several other combinations of chords in 32, 48 & 64 bars, the results were erratic, unreliable and all over the map.
I am going to move on and try go on living without this SongForm report. Thanks still for the help RrR
Originally Posted By: Noel96
Hi Roy, ... Let's say I had the progression... C|F|C|G|C|C|F|F First section...
C|F = 0 C|G = 1 C|C = 2 F|F = 3
C|F|C|G|C|Dm|G|C Second section...
C|F = 0 (this has already been defined) C|G = 1 (also defined above) C|Dm = 4 (it's a new chord pair so it takes a new numeral) G|C = 5 (another new chord pair)
This means, that if I want to use repeats, I could repeat the first 4 bars of the first section and and then jump to a second ending for the last four bars represented by chords 4 and 5. Regards, Noel
That's strange that the 16-bars I used didn't work for you. They did for me. Did you generate the song? BIAB usually does its calculation things during generation.
The SGU file I used is below. I had my song set to one chorus. That might have made a difference.
IMPORTANT... I've changed the extension of the file to .txt so that I can upload it to the forum. You will need to change it back to .SGU so that it can be loaded into BIAB. (It is a BIAB song file.)
Thank Noel, the song you attached worked You may have exposed the key to the mystery with the suggestion to Generate. the 16 bar song form worked and a 48 bar generated version song form also worked
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