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Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? #671911 09/07/21 05:22 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder OP Veteran
OP David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	Hey Y'all, Don't laugh. So, in Real Band, I have selected the "also generate real chart feature" and it converts everything to Midi except for drums. What is up with that? Does anyone know how to do this? I can do a work around with a BIAB export to XML but that takes too long. User error???? How does it work. I just need an easy way to turn Real Drums into midi. Thanks and don't laugh at me!!! Last edited by David Snyder; 09/07/21 07:12 AM. Reason: brain cramp David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #671920 09/07/21 06:10 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,033 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,033 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Hi David. I'm not laughing at all. I had thought that one of the features of BIAB 2020 (or was it 2021) was that all the RealDrums now had notation. My understanding of that is that you can see music notation in the edit modes, and just drag a track to a DAW to get the MIDI. I could be wrong on this. Also, I do not use RealBand so someone else can address this. Question, just trying to understand: when you say 'export to HTML' do you mean Music XML? BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #671923 09/07/21 06:18 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,672 Pensacola, Florida jford Veteran
jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,672 Pensacola, Florida	In another thread, this is what I posted.. "The RealBand help system says "RealDrums with an "Ntn" in the # column of the RealDrums Picker dialog can display notation." So I picked a RealDrum that had Ntn in the # column and generated. I also have the "When generating RealTracks also generate a RealChart" box checked (I don't see anything that separates out RealTrack instruments versions drum/percussion instruments). I get the generated wave form, but do not get a RealChart for it." Clearly this needs fixing in RealBand.

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #671931 09/07/21 06:47 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,232 Wauconda	Tried this just the other day. Took the RD midi chart provided in the BIAB-VST and inserted it into EZDrummer2 as a example groove to generate a song. A nice RD midi track playing jazz brushes groove turned into a something that sounded like a 10 year old playing his first drum kit. A hot mess. I suspect some sort of drum map is needed which is not what I was interested in doing. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #671934 09/07/21 07:09 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,732 St. Louis, MO. USA sslechta Veteran
sslechta Veteran Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,732 St. Louis, MO. USA	If you want a long way to do this, you could send the RealDrum .WAV audio to Melodyne and convert to MIDI there. Steve BIAB/RB 2022, Pro Tools 2020, Korg N5, JBL LSR 4328 Powered Monitors, AKG/Shure Mics. PC: Win11 PRO, 4 TB M2 SSD, 2 TB HD, 128 GB Memory

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? Matt Finley #671935 09/07/21 07:10 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder OP Veteran
OP David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	Matt, Sorry. Brain cramp, yes I meant XML!!! I will look to see if there is a notation in drums that indicate there is notation, but I thought ALL were supposed to have it by now and that was a feature of 2021. David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #671936 09/07/21 07:12 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,232 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,232 Wauconda	Maybe time to review the manual BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? DrDan #671938 09/07/21 07:34 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,214 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,214 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent Tried this just the other day. Took the RD midi chart provided in the BIAB-VST and inserted it into EZDrummer2 as a example groove to generate a song. A nice RD midi track playing jazz brushes groove turned into a something that sounded like a 10 year old playing his first drum kit. A hot mess. I suspect some sort of drum map is needed which is not what I was interested in doing. If available in EZDrummer2 you have to select GM as the drum map. Many MIDI drum sources have multiple drum maps incorporated in them, thus you just select the one that you need and the program will automatically convert to that map. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #671943 09/07/21 07:43 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder OP Veteran
OP David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	Ok, I am getting somewhere. I made a "style" in BIAB that only has drums and exported "Mod Country" as a midi. (Saved as.) In Sforzando player with "BIAB" rock drums it is not too bad. It sounds horrible in Session Drummer though, but I may need to experiment. However in Real Band, it will not generate a Real Chart, though I know it should. I think that is a glitch, because yes, it does show up in notation in BIAB. What does the "x" mean by the way in the drum picker? Don't laugh. The other columns seem intuitive. David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? DrDan #671959 09/07/21 09:27 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,232 Wauconda	Originally Posted By: MusicStudent Maybe time to review the manual This is not very helpful... Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Capture.JPG (73.06 KB, 179 downloads) BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #672019 09/07/21 02:13 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 266 Derry VintageGibson Apprentice
VintageGibson Apprentice Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 266 Derry	I do it using the drag'n drop function from BIAB to RB. Using a drum style with notation, drag the drums from the Mixer panel or from the top panel into the MID section of the drag'n drop area at top left just below the Master. After a couple of seconds the MID section will turn green, you can the drag this to a track in RB, then Edit/Midi/Split Midi Drums will separate the drums into individual tracks. Hope this helps Vintage Last edited by VintageGibson; 09/07/21 02:14 PM.

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? VintageGibson #672032 09/07/21 03:46 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder OP Veteran
OP David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	Whoah! Cool!!!!!!! Thanks man!!! David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #672040 09/07/21 10:39 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 266 Derry VintageGibson Apprentice
VintageGibson Apprentice Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 266 Derry	Happy to help, Vintage

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? VintageGibson #672060 09/08/21 01:37 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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MountainSide Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,433 Lake Keowee, South Carolina	Great tip there Vantage! How about posting to the TIPS section? Jeff Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2025, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? VintageGibson #672079 09/08/21 04:28 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina David Snyder OP Veteran
OP David Snyder Veteran Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 8,334 North Carolina	This one tip has changed my life!! Wicked!!! Here we go now. Look put world!!! David Snyder Songwriter/Renaissance Man Studio + Fingers https://davidsnydersongs.com/ https://spoti.fi/359Gigs www.davidsnydermusic.com/ www.reverbnation.com/davidpsnyder www.soundcloud.com/davidsnyderchannel https://www.songtradr.com/user/profile/david.snyder

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #672115 09/08/21 08:45 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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mrgeeze Expert Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 859 Sonoran Desert	Does this trick only work in Real Band? I tried the same approach and get less wonderful results in Logic. biab2024(Mac) Latest Build Mac OS Sequoia 15.0.1 Apple M2 pro 32GB Ram Logic Pro 11

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? mrgeeze #672164 09/08/21 02:12 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,214 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,214 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: mrgeeze Does this trick only work in Real Band? I tried the same approach and get less wonderful results in Logic. I don't know about things on the Mac side but this technique works perfectly with a Window's version of Studio One Pro 5. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? mrgeeze #672165 09/08/21 02:13 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 266 Derry VintageGibson Apprentice
VintageGibson Apprentice Joined: Dec 2017 Posts: 266 Derry	I have only used it in RB, but I suspect you should be able to drag the MIDI to any DAW, but may not be able to split the drums into different tracks. The synth/sound library available in the DAW will also influence the sound. A possible work around is to do what drums editing you need in RB then save the various tracks to your DAW as WAV files. Vintage

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #672288 09/09/21 11:11 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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mrgeeze Expert Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 859 Sonoran Desert	Here's what I get for my multiple attempts. BIAB appears to create a midi file when I drop it on the left upper mid area. I can drag said creation to my daw (Logic). At best I get a 1or 2 bar midi sequence of 1 drum. I can repeat it like a loop but its the same 1 or 2 bar pattern. I'm pretty much a midi neophyte. Some questions. Should this work for all RealDrum Tracks or only specific types? How does one tell? What settings in BIAB need be made (if any) before attempting the conversion. Seems like there are a lot of options regarding forcing real drums to midi, or changing to midi drums, etc. If there are any Logic users who have done this successfully, can you chime in on the Logic side requirements. I'd like to give it a go, if possible. Thanks biab2024(Mac) Latest Build Mac OS Sequoia 15.0.1 Apple M2 pro 32GB Ram Logic Pro 11

Re: Does Anyone Know How to Convert Real Drums to Midi???? David Snyder #672328 09/09/21 02:44 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA	Quote: Should this work for all RealDrum Tracks or only specific types? How does one tell? If the RealDrums button is underlined then the RealDrums has Real Charts. Real Charts are MIDI transcription. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Clipboard01.jpg (16.23 KB, 94 downloads) Underlined RealDrums button has MIDI Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

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