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hello again...
ya' know...I've been scoring this pop ballad...which...(according to my most knowledgeable, honest musician friends)...should be a a killer hit.
thing is...I'm not a pianist. I'm a good songwriter...I can play basic piano chords & score the basic tracks...even write the occasional realistic sounding embellishment...but there's nothing like the sound of a real piano man, banging away chords on a good pop or R&B ballad; & also throwing in tasty tidbits IN BETWEEN chords & vocals.
so...that's what I need...world class FILLS, I guess you could say. so is there anybody here that would fit that bill...who would be willing to collaborate w/ me on a MIDI file basis...
or is there any such thing as a MIDI site that provides piano fills/embellishments...???
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Doesn't BiaB do exactly that? Try a few different styles. See what you get.  It will work as good as any midi site that provides fills, etc.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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...but there's nothing like the sound of a real piano man, banging away chords on a good pop or R&B ballad; & also throwing in tasty tidbits IN BETWEEN chords & vocals.
so...that's what I need...world class FILLS, I guess you could say. ...???
Well that is exactly what BIAB does! You provide the chords and the BIAB pianoman (either midi or RT's) will comp a rhythm. Add the BIAB soloist to put in all the fills.
So now what are we missing? 
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Have you tried any of the newer Pop Piano RealTracks?
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I do think you have a good chance of finding someone to do it here. (A small sample of the song may entice someone who 'feels' it)
However, when you mentioned resorting to midi sites, my first thought was that you'd be lucky to find something that BiaB couldn't compete with. Made me wonder if you've experimented much. You may have done so, or you may be in for a surprise to learn more about what it does. Just askin, really.
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I don't know what's wrong with Miles Black. Just use RealTracks...
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wow...
people...thanks...!!!
I'm currently using BiaB 2007; & I'm not certain if that contains Real Tracks...(don't think it does)
3 questions:
1) if I upgrade to Biab 2010...in order to get Real Tracks...does that version contain ALL the Styles I have now (in v2007)...??? I.e., will I lose anything...???
2) Does Real Tracks (which I'm assuming is audio in some format...like Real Drums) also write MIDI, so that I can use my existing pianos (from Native Instruments)...???
3) In simply using Styles themselves...(w/o Real Tracks)...the only thing I've ever been able to do is to just preview different Styles...to hear what the various pianos sound like in my compositions. Am I missing some important function of the program, for example, Soloist...??? I.e., is there something else I could be doing to get the fills & flourishes in between the chordings...???
4) (sorry...I know I said 3, but...)...is there a video tutorial on Real Tracks I could watch so I don't have to bother you guys...??? (guys like Mac have spent half their careers helping me in here...for which I am eternally grateful...(thanks, Mac) but I shouldn't necessarily be taking up everybodys time, either).
4-1/2) For BiaB 2007 itself...is there a video tutorial that explains what I asked in question 3...???
4-3/4) who the heck is Miles Black...???
thanks a million,
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WAM - Just re-read JazzManDan's reply...so it is the Soloist...let me check that function out...will also look around the site (& my program files) for a Soloist video (still leaning toward an upgrade, tho). thanks again, all
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1) if I upgrade to Biab 2010...in order to get Real Tracks...does that version contain ALL the Styles I have now (in v2007)...??? I.e., will I lose anything...???
You won't lose a thing. All is gain. If you choose to install the new one right overtop of the old one, even the songs you have already created will still be in the folders where you had them. All styles you had will still be there, plus plenty more.
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2) Does Real Tracks (which I'm assuming is audio in some format...like Real Drums) also write MIDI, so that I can use my existing pianos (from Native Instruments)...???
No. But the good news here is that you will not need to do that. The RealPianos are just that, real piano players playing real pianos. Why try to change that into artificial MIDI pianos? You have to experience the difference to truly understand it here. Given all that, you would still have the thousands of MIDI based styles and MIDI based pianists available also. You can mix and match MIDI and RealTracks at will within a song, too, so you could have RealGuitars mixed with MIDI Pianos if you like.
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3) In simply using Styles themselves...(w/o Real Tracks)...the only thing I've ever been able to do is to just preview different Styles...to hear what the various pianos sound like in my compositions. Am I missing some important function of the program, for example, Soloist...??? I.e., is there something else I could be doing to get the fills & flourishes in between the chordings...???
This question is kind of wide open in the sense that we don't really know what type of "fills and flourishes" you are thinking of, nor the genre, etc. But there are indeed ways to embellish things within BiaB, to a certain degree. I think that with the RealTracks, you may find that is a nonproblem, though. it is a different set of circumstances entirely.
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4) (sorry...I know I said 3, but...)...is there a video tutorial on Real Tracks I could watch so I don't have to bother you guys...??? (guys like Mac have spent half their careers helping me in here...for which I am eternally grateful...(thanks, Mac) but I shouldn't necessarily be taking up everybodys time, either).
There are videos and also streaming audio of RealTracks demos available on this website. See the Tutorials part of the Support pages for starters. There are also the "New Release" videos, too.
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4-1/2) For BiaB 2007 itself...is there a video tutorial that explains what I asked in question 3...???
There are plenty of tutorial videos now, don't just watch the ones for your particular version, as the ones that came before your version also contain much valuable information that would also apply in your particular version as well.
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4-3/4) who the heck is Miles Black...???
Miles has been associated with PGMusic for a long time. Creator of quite a few of the piano styles, MIDI first, now RealTracks also, and has been the main contributor to the PGMusic Piano series such as the Master Jazz, etc.
From the RealTracks Picker Memo on Miles Black:
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Miles Black began his professional music career in 1980 (at age 14) in Victoria, British Columbia. Since relocating to Vancouver, Miles has achieved prominence as an arranger, producer, composer, session musician, guitarist, bassist, saxophonist, songwriter, musical theatre director, music therapist and college level music instructor. He has performed on countless albums, and has played with many music greats around the world, notably with the Juno-nominated fusion band Skywalk and the Oliver Gannon Quartet. His CD releases include solo piano, duos, the Miles Black Trio and the Miles Black Quartet, including many of his own compositions. He also writes songs with lyricist/vocalist Glenda and they have released the CD "Another Day."
Miles is co-leader with Tom Keenlyside of the Modern Jazz quartet Altered Laws. Their album "Metaphora" was nominated for a 2008 Juno Award as Best Contemporary Jazz Album.
Since 1991, Miles has been performing and producing music content for PG Music programs including the Pianist Series of programs, the Oscar Peterson Multimedia CD-ROM, and many Band-in-a-Box add-ons. That association continues with his work as both performer and producer for RealTracks.
Get the latest news and information about Miles Black online at http://www.milesblack.com.
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I loooooooove Miles Black. Are you using RealTracks? I have recorded several songs using Miles Black, Oliver Gannon, Craig Scott, PJ Perry and Neil Swainson. You just don't get better than that!!! I can't figure out how to post my songs on the Forum but if you go to www.audiosparx.com/CarolyneSwayze and pull up the song Little Valentine you will hear these players. Actually, I can't remember at the moment if Miles is on this track, perhaps, or maybe I just used guitar. But, my point is you really need to know your RealPlayers, dude. These are the guys that make us sound good and are available to us for the price of a software package. I feel guilty everytime I listen to my songs. Carolyne
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I like the quote about the not hearing the music. All I hear is music...and I can sort of dance...but at 60..well..it's more like shakin...
My 1 yr old grandson moves to the groove. He'll dance to the dishwasher..now that's funny.
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I'm currently using BiaB 2007; & I'm not certain if that contains Real Tracks...(don't think it does)
Well this certainly explains you initial question  . You have got to hear some of the piano RT's and you will then understand why you got so many responses asking you to clarify what you are talking about.... 
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Yes, I just checked: BIAB 2007 added the first Real Drums, and BIAB 2008 added the first Real Tracks.
It's amazing how far the program has progressed since only then.
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Dox, I'm going to take a slightly negative tone here even though everybody knows I'm a huge booster of Biab and PG Music. First, Miles Black is a killer pianist and I have all the jazz and blues piano master classes that he did and the dude can play. I strongly recommend you upgrade to 2010 because it will greatly expand what you can do. Having said that, as good as the Real Tracks are, they're still prerecorded phrases and sound somewhat generic and a little choppy because the sustain will get cut off by the program fitting different chords to your song. There are several different excellent piano styles right now and more are coming. Some of the midi rock and pop piano styles are very good too if you have a good piano sample.
If you have a good original tune, you probably are looking for good original parts to go with it and the RT's won't provide that but you won't know that for sure until you get them and try them out. You might hear something in the piano RT that sounds almost like something you want but you will think man, can't it be this way? If you're working with a real player, five minutes of playing around and he'll nail the part but the RT's can't change. There are some variations and Biab does a good job of showing those but still, you can't write exact RT parts. What was prerecorded is what you get.
Get the upgrade because there's nothing else available that can even come close to what Biab can do for a songwriter but like anything else, it's not perfect.
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Jazzmammal is right of course but if I may present another perspective. As soon as the world becomes more perfect I'll worry about imperfections of Biab/RB. For me, the upside is what I have learned from this forum and the excitement of what lay ahead in the world of prerecorded digital music. The purist might never be impressed with Biab or RB for the reasons Bob states. In fact, I have music friends (or rather associates) that won't even speak to me because of my decision to write (a completely new experience for me) and dare to release songs using this product. Given my instrumentalist limitations, I probably would have never travelled down the incredible songwriting journey without it. When the wonderfully gifted pianist I was working with got angry with me over a difference in musical concept, and told me to do it myself, Biab allowed me to do just that. It does what I say and doesn't talk back. In three months I have learned Biab, RB (albeit by being a pest to the PG Music Technical Team, God Bless em) and Sibelius, have improved my vocal quality and constantly developing the confidence explore and grow. I am a happy camper.
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well...
before Bob posted...I was coming back in to say to Mac (& others) that...the thing that worries me about loops (prerecorded audio samples) is that, obviously they have to be resampled or stretched or shrunk or have the tails manipulated, etc., to accomodate the tempo of the composition...which has to have an effect on the quality of the audio...or at least how natural the audio sounds. even if it's a simplistic situation whereby a note is recorded from a grand piano at three or four different durations; & the biab coding places a short fade on the end of the clip & then the clip is 'slip edited' to accomodate different lengths (slip editing retains the length of the fade while the length of the clip itself is reduced)...even that would result in an un-natural sound.
then Bob came back before me & said basically that, more or less.
& the thing I like about MIDI is the fact that I can choose from hundreds of instrument sounds. & lets face it...when you sit down & record audio from a digital piano...the keys are sending MIDI messages to an onboard synth sampler, anyway. so why not record the MIDI along w/ the analog; & gain the possibility of different instrument sounds.
[& I know the basis of my post was geared toward real piano...I'm just expanding a bit but]...
I should upgrade anyway...maybe there's something there I can use, like carolyne & bob said.
really need to get this song completed, tho...not certain which way to go...guess I'll upgrade & then make a decision from there.
thanks again, all...
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I should upgrade anyway...maybe there's something there I can use, like carolyne & bob said.
really need to get this song completed, tho...not certain which way to go...guess I'll upgrade & then make a decision from there.
thanks again, all...
dox
Want to send the midi out to the Forum here and have different folks add Piano Accompianment via RT's or even live?
If you post it, They will come... 
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thanks, dan...
may do just that.
was coming back to update my post when I found yours...& I wanted to say that I listened to the vancouver piano ballad style in real tracks, demo #61, I believe it is...& it sounds almost exactly like what I was looking for.
so...is that ONLY audio...??? (reason I ask is...in the demo...they show piano notes playing on the graphic keyboard, like when the program writes MIDI). sure would be nice to get that playing style w/ my NI pianos.
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thanks, dan...
may do just that.
was coming back to update my post when I found yours...& I wanted to say that I listened to the vancouver piano ballad style in real tracks, demo #61, I believe it is...& it sounds almost exactly like what I was looking for.
so...is that ONLY audio...??? (reason I ask is...in the demo...they show piano notes playing on the graphic keyboard, like when the program writes MIDI). sure would be nice to get that playing style w/ my NI pianos.
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The RTs are completely Audio files. Many have been transcribed so that the notes are avalable as charts. I combine RT pianos with midi a lot and love them. I was a big vocal fan back when they were first introduced. Some of the Soloist stuff just can't be done short of bringing in a studio musician on keyboard.
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wow...
update 2:
been listening to the real track demos; & I must say...they're real good.
so...a few technical questions (& then I'll bug off for a while):
1) since the demos feature mp3 quality audio...how good are the actual wav files that are included w/ the program...???
2) are they 16 or 24-bit ?
3) are they clean or noisy ? (meaning, how low is the noise floor; & is there ambient & gear/mechanical noise?)
4) are the end products (what biab writes as a file) masterable? i.e., can they undergo eq/fx/signal processing in a daw & be raised to industry standard levels without degrading. i.e.2, can you make a real record out of them?
thanks,
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also: thanks, jazzman
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With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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