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A song needs a mixture of styles.
However, when it comes to the second style, the mixer cannot display the instrument name of the second style.
This makes an error when I set bar setting again.
Hope to improve here.
Mixer displays the name of the new style instrument
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This would be an excellent item to add to the wishlist section.
It has been requested before, but a fresh reminder could get some momentum again.
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This would be an excellent item to add to the wishlist section.
It has been requested before, but a fresh reminder could get some momentum again.
VideoTrack： Thank you for your support. Thank you for your great help to me. I recently downloaded the early introduction videos on YouTube to my computer and study hard But I can't find the operation video of multistyle
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Another vote of support for this suggestion. Presumably, not incredibly difficult to implement.
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Another vote of support for this suggestion. Presumably, not incredibly difficult to implement.
+1 Probably more difficult than we think. The inner workings of BIAB have changed to the point PG Music can provide features that have been requested for years. Not yet so with naming MultiStyles and Mixer instruments when they change midstream of a song. MultiStyles pre-date RealTracks and have been a significant tool by PG Staff for many years. They use MultiStyles a lot in demos and also to be included in the Styles they make. I have more than 9,000 Styles in my StylePicker and nearly 1,000 are MultiStyles, most are older MIDI based MultiStyles. That's almost 10% of the total styles I possess. That being said, with that much emphasis and that many MultiStyles in my BIAB package and the fact that MultiStyles have been used for so long, Naming the Style changes and instrument changes have never previously been implemented. It's possible the many upgrades in code and new programs that are allowing BIAB to be changed in ways that never before could be upgraded, this feature may be just around the corner. Don't know but Swingbabymix has put it the Wishlist and I'll give it my full support too.
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Probably more difficult than we think. The inner workings of BIAB have changed to the point PG Music can provide features that have been requested for years. I'm not sure I can follow and agree exactly, Charlie. What happens is this: At a certain bar, the programmed Bar Settings changes over to a different style. The program knows what the new Style is and exactly what instruments the new style uses. It implements all of that, but the displayed instruments in the mixer just keep showing the instruments from the original style. There's actually no guesswork or convoluted coding required. When the Style changes, just show the instruments used by the new style on the tracks in the mixer. The program knows what instruments are used by every style. Or have I missed why this could be difficult?
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<< When the Style changes, just show the instruments used by the new style on the tracks in the mixer. The program knows what instruments are used by every style. Or have I missed why this could be difficult? >>
I agree with everything you've said but I do think you've missed the 'why' listing the instruments and Style changes are difficult. Regarding 'why is it difficult', I can't say but nor can I imagine that such an obvious and simple coding change would not have led to an upgrade to include this task in all of the decades MultiStyles have existed and been used so extensively by PG developers. My speculation is this simple extra step results in audio glitches during the transition between the Style Changes.
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<< When the Style changes, just show the instruments used by the new style on the tracks in the mixer. The program knows what instruments are used by every style. Or have I missed why this could be difficult? >>
I agree with everything you've said but I do think you've missed the 'why' listing the instruments and Style changes are difficult. Regarding 'why is it difficult', I can't say but nor can I imagine that such an obvious and simple coding change would not have led to an upgrade to include this task in all of the decades MultiStyles have existed and been used so extensively by PG developers. My speculation is this simple extra step results in audio glitches during the transition between the Style Changes. Style change is very important. I absolutely believe that mixer display Title Change and tone change are necessary. The style has changed, invisible, inconvenient to operate and unreasonable. I hope it can be realized as soon as possible
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+1 for displaying the names of multiple instruments and styles during playback.
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<< The style has changed, invisible, inconvenient to operate and unreasonable. >>
I totally support displaying the names of the additional instruments and styles but I've used MultiStyles for years and there's never been a single instance that I've found how it works to be inconvenient to operate or unreasonable. I can see by the PartMarkers the style change is coming and which style will be playing. I can see the instruments that will be playing before I ever play the song. When it plays, I can hear if it's playing correctly. It's a breeze to use just as it is but I agree it would be cool if the display was improved but that it's not, does not affect the operation in any negative manner.
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<< The style has changed, invisible, inconvenient to operate and unreasonable. >>
I can see by the PartMarkers the style change is coming and which style will be playing. I can see the instruments that will be playing before I ever play the song. Yes, you can know that the style will change through partmarkers. Each style is generally represented by five musical instruments, such as numbers. Style a is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Style C is 6,7,8,9,10 If I want to use bar setting to control style a, I will find that it is still 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 of style C in bar setting If you join the real track, it will be more troublesome Or join the normal track. When is the sound not controlled in the bar setting? I haven't tried this yet. I discussed the problem of sudden mute when the style changes https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=93809&Number=690091
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<< The style has changed, invisible, inconvenient to operate and unreasonable. >>
I can see by the PartMarkers the style change is coming and which style will be playing. I can see the instruments that will be playing before I ever play the song. Yes, you can know that the style will change through partmarkers. Each style is generally represented by five musical instruments, such as numbers. Style a is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Style C is 6,7,8,9,10 If I want to use bar setting to control style a, I will find that it is still 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 of style C in bar setting If you join the real track, it will be more troublesome Or join the normal track. When is the sound not controlled in the bar setting? I haven't tried this yet. I discussed the problem of sudden mute when the style changes https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=93809&Number=690091 Bar settings are easy to do although one can't 'see' the instrument. If you create the MultiStyle and song, you'll know what's playing. The idea is to encourage users to assimilate complex arrangements with many instruments and styles within the BIAB program without having to use a DAW. Here's a video showing that not only using PartMarkers and MultiStyles but also using Bar Settings and additional RealTrack instrument changes. If a user wanted to have even a more complex arrangement in this video, they could continue to add instruments onto the 11 tracks that aren't in use in the video as well as applying volume automation for muting/ unmuting instruments. Plus, each of the 24 tracks can have up to 10 additional RealTracks placed throughout the track. The MultiStyle demo is a really simple arrangement and I barely touched the surface in the demonstration to making the existing arrangement more complex. Charlie MultiStyle Arrangement Demonstration
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It's wonderful. Hope to see the video. I opened the link. But it can't be downloaded. Can I send it to this? https://ufile.io/or youtube? Yes, it can be judged by ear, but it is not as convenient as directly at the MIXER station In addition, there is nothing right in the bar setting now. If there are multiple styles of display, I think it’s a reasonable requirement to have the name of the musical instrument in the style that MIX plays together.
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I have tried many times just now. Show file does not exist
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Hi Charlie,
For some reason, the link took me to my own DropBox Home Page, even though that is clearly not the link URL. It's as though DropBox redirected the link.
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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k9jwfiw31y9sexn/AABMm-0HnrMJHy7y0l5CtAsBa?dl=0See if this works. The original link works from here. Sorry for the issue. Please post if this link doesn't work. Charlie
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I have downloaded it. I listen carefully to what this video is saying, and I will reply later thanks you
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I've finished watching the video 。 Thank you. The whole video gives me the feeling that a very simple thing has become very complex. The reason is that BIAB can't see the change of mixer instrument in multi style mode. In that case, it's better to export all wavs, directly delete the sound in studio one, retain the sound and increase.
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<< The whole video gives me the feeling that a very simple thing has become very complex. >>
No, that's backwards. Very complex arrangements have become incredibly simple and easy in BIAB. It's also much faster. And, most of 2022's new features isn't so much being new as it's new technology that has allowed PG Music to revive and renew processes bringing them out of the menus into the forefront.
Granted the technology is more advanced, the sounds are better and there are a whole lot more styles and RealTracks, SuperMidi tracks and loops that weren't around years ago, but many of these techniques and processes were. Micro chords are new and unique and Playable RealTrack Hi-Q instruments with actual RealTrack samples gives us tracks that are unbelievably good but mixing midi riffs into RealTracks dates way back.
I don't think it's no longer better to export all wavs to a DAW to comp tracks, cut/paste, edit out glitches and manually manipulate multiple renders of the same instrument into a single performance. For many, it's surely more comfortable, but that doesn't equate into better.
BIAB 2022 is more like capturing a complete live performance into a recording than ever before. An arrangement no longer has to be pieced together section by section, phrase by phrase and note by note to be commercial, radio ready and professional sounding. Complex and cohesive productions that are complete and repeatable can be saved as a small SGU file.
Regarding 'seeing' the instruments in the Mixer, someone can turn off the Mixer so it can't be seen at all and that will have no effect to still arrange and mix the song. The meters are the most useful aspect of the Mixer but they aren't necessary because the audio has already been recorded and there's no clipping to deal with. The gain and volume can be adjusted from the Audio Editor. Seeing the name of an instrument is irrelevant to arranging and mixing in BIAB. Arrange and mix from the Chord Sheet and Audio Editor.
I'm not suggesting or recommending anyone change their workflow. I'm not criticizing anyone's workflow. I'm just saying a song can be composed, arranged, mixed and produced in BIAB 2022 that's indistinguishable from a comparable song done in a DAW using BIAB generated tracks.
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<< The whole video gives me the feeling that a very simple thing has become very complex. >>
No, that's backwards. Very complex arrangements have become incredibly simple and easy in BIAB. It's also much faster. And, most of 2022's new features isn't so much being new as it's new technology that has allowed PG Music to revive and renew processes bringing them out of the menus into the forefront.
Granted the technology is more advanced, the sounds are better and there are a whole lot more styles and RealTracks, SuperMidi tracks and loops that weren't around years ago, but many of these techniques and processes were. Micro chords are new and unique and Playable RealTrack Hi-Q instruments with actual RealTrack samples gives us tracks that are unbelievably good but mixing midi riffs into RealTracks dates way back.
I don't think it's no longer better to export all wavs to a DAW to comp tracks, cut/paste, edit out glitches and manually manipulate multiple renders of the same instrument into a single performance. For many, it's surely more comfortable, but that doesn't equate into better.
BIAB 2022 is more like capturing a complete live performance into a recording than ever before. An arrangement no longer has to be pieced together section by section, phrase by phrase and note by note to be commercial, radio ready and professional sounding. Complex and cohesive productions that are complete and repeatable can be saved as a small SGU file.
Regarding 'seeing' the instruments in the Mixer, someone can turn off the Mixer so it can't be seen at all and that will have no effect to still arrange and mix the song. The meters are the most useful aspect of the Mixer but they aren't necessary because the audio has already been recorded and there's no clipping to deal with. The gain and volume can be adjusted from the Audio Editor. Seeing the name of an instrument is irrelevant to arranging and mixing in BIAB. Arrange and mix from the Chord Sheet and Audio Editor.
I'm not suggesting or recommending anyone change their workflow. I'm not criticizing anyone's workflow. I'm just saying a song can be composed, arranged, mixed and produced in BIAB 2022 that's indistinguishable from a comparable song done in a DAW using BIAB generated tracks.
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yes. Everything is great. I fell in love with BIAB. Everything is fine. However, I really hope that when changing the style, I can see the instrument name of the new style in mixer and bar setting.
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