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Yes John I agree.
I happen to know all 3 were intended this way.
And yes this is a forum were we try to help each other either fix things that are not understood or find work arounds for things that need fixing. Your 3 issues have been addressed and if you don't like the answers go somewhere else to complain if that's what you need to do.
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Of course I demand the evangelicals fix this cancer with prayer, or else. Buggy religion. Can't even extend their own average life span, despite having a pipe lne direct to God.
Praise the Lord, he's feelin' more like his old self again already! 
We love you, John.
Get well soon.
--Mac
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It is rare to see the pit bull in the room, but it's not hard to hear the 'tone' change from "I have these problems and they can't be my fault and I demand an immediate re-write, fix with this stupid buggy software, to "I won't put up with you pro-pgmusic idiots defending a piece of crap."
You catch the fish of your choice with the bait of your choice.
Well, while I hate to stir the dirt, and picking up on this point is not intended to continue any ill will, I have been reading along and have two cents to add.
First, John, while generally well said, (you do have a way with words), I do believe you misquoted the OP. The actual quote was,"...Are you just such a big PGMusic fanboy that you believe their products have no bugs? "
Now I have to admit I troll a number of forums and this type of rheatoric is not uncommon, however, it certainly is unusual here! As many have said, this forum is indeed a very friendly place. Not to imply there have not been "issues" over the years, but in general a very friendly place. Which is one of the reasons I stick around.
The second reason is that I am apparently one of those "...big PGMusic Fanboys". But here is what the OP needs to appreciate. BIAB and RB are powerful applications. They are not perfect and they do not always work the way one would anticipate. But they do work! And there is nothing out there which can do what they do. This forum is a place to discuss workflow and workarounds (others before me have stated this better). BIAB is the swiss army knife of music applications. You just need to figure out how to use it to accompish your goals, and it ain't easy.
So please tread a little lighter when you are a new guy on the block. Don't react to any single response but wait a little to see the overall climate. Oh and by the way, welcome to the forum.
Dan 
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I guess I have gotten jaded by "typical" forum attitudes, hence my defensive nature. Certainly seems over reactive now that the intent is clear to me, so let's just say my initial interpretation of jazzmammal's post was wrong. I am certainly going to try and give posters the benefit of the doubt if their posts can be read in different ways.
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Yes, like I said I have been in some of those forums also. This place is different. We all try to check the attitude at the door and come with a clear intention to further develope musically using this fantastic product.
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
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Hi, BitFlipper -
I suspect that Jazzmammal, as did I, looked at your 20-some odd posts on the forum and figured you were a noobie (not necessarilyi with computer music applications, but with PGMusic applications specifically). Don't take that personally; there are times I still feel like a noobie, and I've been using the product for many, many years. I originally took offense at your "PGMusic Fanboy" response (even though not directed to me), because as has been said, we love our PGMusic programs but realize there are some issues. But, it looks like that's now resolved as a simple misunderstanding.
Since we can't directly make changes to the program, we often find workarounds to help people out (and then ask for a specific fix on the wishlist). Maybe the original help offered wasn't the right answer, but sometimes it takes several go-rounds to figure it out. The folks here really do try to help, but we're just users like you are, and our help is based on our own experiences using the product.
So, welcome to the forum, and hopefully you'll be able to start answering questions yourself, and I'm sure you'll still have questions of your own. I still ask questions, because I always seem to learn something new everyday.
Peace...
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 8TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 11TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting and construction)
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Hi BitFlipper, you had asked what response I got from support about my hard drive. It took them a bit longer than I thought it should to get back to me but they responded by saying if it truly is bad, they will replace it but suggested I try opening up the case and reseating it, it may have become unplugged internally. They gave me detailed instructions, it seems simple enough. I'll give that a try in a day or two.
Bob
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Well, I'd certainly like to see RB 2011 be the version that has "No new features, but over 75 bug fixes!" instead of "Over 50 new features and 82 new bugs."
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over 75 bug fixes
While the bugs and "undocumented features"  should be fixed, I'm thinking that isn't going to play very well for new customers, marketing-wise.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 8TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 11TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting and construction)
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OK Bill Melater & BitFlipper the challenge is on. I want you to list 75 bugs that are in fact bugs that can't be dealt via a simple work around. And remember it's not a bug just cause it doesn't work the way you may think it should. I use both programs everyday about 8 hrs a day and I have yet to find something that prevents me from doing what I need to do. I'm over the 200 song mark in RB.
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Just to wrap up my hard drive problem, it was the internal plug. When I took out the two small screws, the end cap just fell out with the plug, it wasn't even partly attached to the hard drive. I reattached it and it's good to go.
I agree with the comments about people who think something that may be unusual is actually a bug. To me a true bug is something that is written about in the advertising, also in the manual and it's supposed to do one thing but it doesn't. A true well known bug is the VST tempo matching problem in Power Tracks/Real Band. BitFlippers thing about forcing a midi track on top of an existing Real Track certainly is interesting but it's not an advertised feature that is not working correctly. Sure, there could be a warning "are you sure" balloon but it really is just a user forcing the program to do something that apparently nobody has ever heard of. I can understand him being upset about losing his audio edits though.
Bob
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I save ,save ,save before doing anything.
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There's also the backups folder inside the RB folder were the program creates backups.
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As a side note-
The only way to load the automatically saved backups is to File- Open Backup. They will not show up using simple File-Open routine.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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Keep track of your saves, and your saves will keep tracks for you. 
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To me, it is an opportunity cost thing. Everytime I use BIAB I run into a bug of some sort. But, when I consider all it is doing and the processes it must involve in order to have to work with my pea-brain, in addition to the exceptional staff at PG Music who work to fix as many issues as possible as they become aware of them, it far outweighs the cost of the inconveniences of dealing with the few bugs I run into.
As a customer I am still very, very pleased with this product and the service and support by its manufacturers.
Cheers,
RickeG
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Wow, silvertones, 8 hours per day! I want your job. I would love to play around with these toys that much! Of course, I probably would have lost my hair though.
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Of course I demand the evangelicals fix this cancer with prayer, or else. Buggy religion. Can't even extend their own average life span, despite having a pipe lne direct to God.
At least my Mom has an hour a day she's devoting to something other than complaining about he 83 yr. old body shutting down....
So, I'll start with the apology ... Sorry, I can't help myself! Now that that's over with ...
I must say that I was at least encouraged to see that your use of the word, "God" began with a capitol-G. While the evangelical does pray for both of us (and sometimes even when we don't deserve the prayer let alone a Creator who would voluntarily listen to it), it's most fortunate for us that it's not religion that's been prayed 'to'. Frankly, I'll go out on a limb and say that it's THE LISTENER of those prayers that matters, not the pray-ers. I'm afraid my own hopes have never rested well with the latter as I often wondered their true intentions.
Yes ... 'twill be argued 'til the end of days I suppose. But ... The answer to any prayer will ultimately end with either a YES, NO, or a MAYBE. Yes? Agreed? So, it's really not that complicated as I see it ... Most assuredly, I haven't a single degree in a single physco-study, but even my feeble mind can observe on almost any given day that while most can handle an occasional MAYBE, it's just not that easy to handle NO so well (in fact I believe there was once a man in some old book that tried to forewarn mankind of this -- in so many words). And ya' know as I recall it now ... seems the results weren't so different than my life experiences with a certain earthly father I know! Ah, I can hear it like it were yesterday, "But Dad ... Son, I'm not gonna' tell ya' again! I said NO!" And yes, I know ... it's not the most popular, politically-correct version of a creator is it? Ah, but I am told to, "... fear ..." him, am I not?
And as for the next question which ultimately always begins with, "Why ...", I'm guessing we'll just have to be content to wait to find out the answers to it, because again, as dear ole' Dad used to say ... "Because I said so!" Now certainly you must, at the very least, be able to pretend to hear a thunderous voice of a Creator saying, "Because I said so!"
On your final observation, I'm not entirely certain I've met anyone with a pipeline per Se. I can only suggest that there's been times when I was just happy to know that there was ANYONE who claimed to hear so much as a whisper now and then! And I don't mind telling you ... I've begged plenty for my share of whispers! I'd take a pipeline too of course!
Good days to you.
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Keep track of your saves, and your saves will keep tracks for you.
That's the best quote of this thread!
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