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Yeah same here /home on separate partition. Lucid took a giant step forward in the graphics arena however that rendered some of the old machines like mine with a problem. They have a work around for it but i had to reinstall 9.1 and this does what I need so I'll sit still for a few months. 9.1 will have support until 4/2011.
Have you installed 10.04?
John,
I've put 10.04 onto 3 machines now. Installation was straightforward. One of the computers had to download a driver(s) for graphics but, other than that, no issues. The oldest of the computers that I installed it on was 4 years. This latest version of Ubuntu seems to boot a little quicker than the previous versions.
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What is the appeal of Linux?
Hi Bob,
I have BIAB 2007 running in Ubuntu but I don't use it too much. My main reasons for using Linux are:
- There is a huge repository of free and open-source software readily available and easily installed. Many of these programs are exceptionally good.
- I have Ubuntu on a separate internal hard-drive and I use it to back-up my song files. My reasoning is, rightly or wrongly, that since the Ubuntu drive is formatted in ext3 and not NTFS (as required by Windows), any Windows virus that I might get, is less likely to damage the Ubuntu drive. I use a little resident program in Windows that lets me see my Linux drive and so transfer is pretty easy.
- Ubuntu automatically reads NTFS formatted drives so I can access, and use, my Windows drive directly from Ubuntu.
- Ubuntu has been very sturdy on the internet.
- Friends who run both operating systems have had instances where the Windows drive stopped working and having Linux on the system allowed them to access important data from Linux. Ubuntu has also given them internet access to look for solutions for their Windows problems.
- I set my Windows email client to download the email only. When I go into Linux, I also download the email. In Ubuntu, however, I have the email client set to delete the mail from the server. This ends up giving me two copies of my emails. I have found this very useful. I use Thunderbird in both Windows and Ubuntu and thus it's very easy to keep address books up-to-date with both operating systems.
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Noel,
My Internet computer is a little old. Almost 10 years so I have a graphics issue. 9.1 does what i need and is supported for another year. The devs already know they have an issue and will fix it. they just didn't want to hold up the release. There is a temp fix I might try.
I have 2 laptops that sit side by side. 1 for internet ( linux) and 1 for RealBand & Biab ( Windows) they are networked together and share very nicely. I even share the printer that's hooked to the Linux box. I have Avast on the Linux box to scan specific files destined for the Win box.
On the Linux box I run:
1. GUFW Firewall
2. Firefox withe the No Script & Browser Defender add-ons.
3. I have disabled ping in the GUFW.
When I check my Linux box at GRC Shields up I "do not exist " on the internet. With dialup my IP changes each time I log on.
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I have BIAB 2007 running in Ubuntu but I don't use it too much. My main reasons for using Linux are:
...There is a huge repository of free and open-source software readily available and easily installed. Many of these programs are exceptionally good.
OK, so most of these programs are good. Good at what? That's what I'm asking.
I guess my level of computing ability would rank somewhere in the upper third maybe. I'm not some pro IT guy but I know what I'm doing, I build all my own PC's. I work at a CPA firm, very professional, I'm on the web all day doing research at government sites or big name commercial sites, we use all the pro level MS office stuff plus some accounting programs that cost us about 15K a year. Some of that carries over to home. The thing is, I've never had a virus attack even though virtually everyone else I know has. Usually when I dig into it it's not a virus at all or I find something like this: A good friend who is not very computer savvy wanted to search Google for something about the California penal code but he misspelled penal. Ya gotta pay attention. Guess what he got a blast of porno, didn't know how to exit it and wound up in one of those loops where one site went to another until he had something like 20 windows open and his machine completely locked up. I managed to clear it without reinstalling everything. He had also uninstalled Avast because it was too confusing. That kind of thing has never happened to me. Ever. I already know 95% of all the bad stuff comes from either porno or casino sites, I don't go there and that's it. I never open email with attachments I don't know either. Some of them are very clever and what I try to do is copy just the text and send them to my friends as a warning to try to teach them how to avoid this. It's slowly working.
My point is I'm not worried about internet surfing (and of course now that I've said that, I'll probably get nailed and will post here asking for help..sigh) but I am always interested in something new that may do something useful. Most of what I read about Linux is basically what JBlatz said, it boils down to he can't stand Bill Gates and wants to stick it to him. Ok, I get that. He mentioned he hates doing the Windows update dance. It does it at 3am automatically. Big deal.
What can Linux actually do that I can't do now perfectly safely?
Can it run all my DAW programs especially Real Band? Does it use an open source audio editing program that's better than Adobe Audition? Can it create MS Office compatible files so if I do some work at home I can put them on a thumb drive and open them up at work? Can it run video editing programs that are better than VirtualDub for free or Vegas Studio at a price?
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Bob,
One of the things the Linux community asks is that we don't preach about it so I invite you to download a copy and give it a whirl. Choose the "try" first. It'll give you a feel. If you want to go further choose the "install" and then choose "install inside windows". This gives you a functioning system however it can be removed just like a program with Windows"add/remove programs. After that you can do a real install along side Windows. If you go for the final option let the partition manager set up partitions.
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OK, so most of these programs are good. Good at what? That's what I'm asking. <Snip>
What can Linux actually do that I can't do now perfectly safely? <Snip>
Actually, it appears you are doing an excellent job of protecting your computer assets. You employ the proper tools and procedures and you restrict your Internet surfing to governmental and big name commercial sites which undoubtedly go to great lengths to keep their sites safe for both legal and economic reasons.
As for me, I once repeatedly asked myself the same questions you are asking about Linux. Like you, I kept my Window's PC locked down and only visited sites known to be safe. Fortunately for me, a friend of mine talked me into giving it a try just to see if it was all hype, so I installed it on an old machine and surfed every viral laden site I could find. I even captured numerous viruses in the process but none of them trashed the OS. Bottom line, I took a chance and now that I have found the freedoms I mentioned ealier, I can let my curiosity and research into how things work lead me into the darker areas of the Internet where I definitely would not want to take even a fully armed Window's PC. Like others, I am not convinced it is 100% safe, but at least now I am not afraid to go into a dark room if that room may contain some information I seek. For example, at the present moment, to better defend my WiFi connection when I use it, I really would like to know how Aircrack and some other tools work to defeat protected WiFi connections. This means I may again be visiting some dubious areas of the Internet.
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Most of what I read about Linux is basically what JBlatz said, it boils down to he can't stand Bill Gates and wants to stick it to him. Ok, I get that. He mentioned he hates doing the Windows update dance. It does it at 3am automatically. Big deal.
Please don't misquote me.
I said "I like the freedom of not having to have Gate's permission to install the operating system on my Internet PC." which is a far cry from "he can't stand Bill Gates and wants to stick it to him." Like you I have to use Windows for many activities both at home and at work, especially Excel (VBA) and other Window's programming tools. I would be at a loss without them so definitely I don't want to stick it to Bill Gates. I use Linux primarily for one purpose, the Internet.
I said "I like the freedom of not having to download Windows updates to keep my Windows PC secure" which is not quite the same as "he hates doing the Windows update dance." I don't mine the updates and I understand the need for them, but I have found that without having to add them to my Window's PC that I can more or less keep that PC's OS in the same pristine condition it was in when I first built the machine and installed Windows. I have read stories of a Window's update harming the system and Av updates doing damage (just yesterday I read an interesting article about the McAffee fiasco http://therealedwin.com/2010/05/17/how-linux-saved-a-fast-food-giant/ ), but fortunately, since I neither have to run Window updates nor AV updates, I don't have to worry about such things on my Window's PC.
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Can it run all my DAW programs especially Real Band? Does it use an open source audio editing program that's better than Adobe Audition? Can it create MS Office compatible files so if I do some work at home I can put them on a thumb drive and open them up at work? Can it run video editing programs that are better than VirtualDub for free or Vegas Studio at a price?
I don't use Adobe Audition, VirtualDub, or Vegas Studio because I don't have those products. I haven't tried Real Band either. I can say Open Office will open my xls files, but the included VBA code is a no go because that is designed for Windows and its data structures. Personally, I use my Window's PC for those things which Window's does best which is almost everything and Linux for the one thing it does better, safer surfing. By the way, for any "newbie" wishing to experiment with Linux, I urge you not to dual boot or any way mix the two in an installation. Sometimes it is easy to make mistakes. Instead, install the Linux Os on an old or second PC all by itself. If you bork the installation, it makes for an easier do-over.
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Cool, JBlatz. I was sort of "reading into" what you said, unfairly it seems. I'm not knocking Linux because I know nothing about it except what I read here and there. The impression I get is it's mostly for safer surfing. That's interesting that you needed a protected PC to do some research on those crack sites. If you're deliberately seeking out sites like that to dig around for intel you need all the help you can get.
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Suddenly I like JBlatz a lot more! I agree with him that when researching things such as he is Linux is MUCH better. My concern was a newbie coming into Linux (which started this thread). I think it is good to show them the benefits, but to imply they can just use Linux and go anywhere on the internet (especially using dual-boot) is irresponsible. Using a Linux boot that can 'see' the windows files is self-defeating! They need to know it is not magically bullet proof and still has risks their for their windows files (and their friends' systems too). JNaltz did say he could go on the internet and be careless which is what I had issues with. Akways be careful. I can see now that he id indeed careful. That said, I appreciate any research and work being done on security, carry on JBlatz 
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Now to be fair to Windows and Bill Gates.
Canonical issued there next version Lucid Lynx 10.04 before it should have been. This is typical of larger companies but to me is not in keeping with the Linux philosophy. They knew they had issues with drivers for NVidia and ATI machines but said nothing. Now folks are upgrading and booting to a totally black/blank screen. There is no fix other then a total reinstall of the previous release.
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Canonical Ltd. co-ordinates the development of Ubuntu Linux, but is principally engaged in selling their services as technical support for users who require professional quality computing performance. The newest version of any of their operating systems is to be treated as "in development", or a "beta" version. If you have downloaded and installed version 10.04 without reading this Version Release Notes , then you have not attended to the details that result in a good computing experience, in Linux or Windows. Do your homework, and then act responsibly, no matter what your chosen software. In each of the Ubuntu operating systems, there are recommended Long-Term-Support versions for those individuals who want solid performance without all the latest toys included. Go with that version. No surprises, and lots of free technical assistance in the forums.
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Oren,
You are correct. After a careful reread of the release notes I realized the error of my ways. I thinks others may have fallen the same way. The upgrade the second time was absolutely flawless. I didn't have to tweak a thing. Everything in 10.04 was exactly as it was in 9.1. Networking, Samba, dialup, printing everything. The networking is actually more stable as well.
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Glad to hear it, John! It took me a long time to figure out how Canonical manages their releases - there is a lot of hoopla about the latest version, very much like how Microsoft hypes a new O/S. Unfortunate, really... The folks at Linux Mint have a much more conservative approach to upgrades, based on Ubuntu, but far more carefully developed. I would recommend Mint for a general-purpose, low-maintenance Linux operating system. Ain't it fun though...? 
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The folks at Linux Mint have a much more conservative approach to upgrades, based on Ubuntu, but far more carefully developed. I would recommend Mint for a general-purpose, low-maintenance Linux operating system.
I'll second Oren's recommendation about Mint, and I'd like to point out that this type of installation accident is the reason why most users, especially new ones, should install Linux on a separate hard drive instead of trying to create dual boot system.
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JBlatz,
Yea after what happened this release I'd agree. Out of the gate with the new release there were 2 bugs.
1. If you had NVidia or ATI or Intel video card you'd boot to a black screen.
2. Dual boot along side Windows grub wouldn't boot Windows
Imagine the horror and reformatted drives for those that got the black screen AND couldn't boot Windows. The fix is simple IF you know how.
As Oren said 'tis fun.
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