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Hi,
I have recorded a number of vocal tracks and want to get the best parts from each. I wonder if there is a way to mute individual sections on each track without having to build it up by deleting the parts that I don't want?
Many thank,
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Jan
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Hi Jan,
I do compilation or "comp" tracks like that all the time, using the Audio Volume Envelopes found in, of all places, the PianoRoll View. I wish it was available elsewhere, like in the Tracks View, but with careful attention to the Timeline numbers, I'm able to turn the Volume (CC7) for all the other vocal tracks down using mousedraw, while having the one track I want to hear at the moment turned up. Use the mouse to draw another up at the right point on the timeline and then change to the track with the one that was up and turn it down at the same point in time with a quick mousedraw.
This works very well, no clicks, no pops, and I find it to be better than hard Cut and Paste type edits. For another thing, it is nondestructive -- everything is still there and you can always revisit and change things around at any time as the song progresses.
--Mac
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Thank you very much Mac,
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Jan
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I am going to try Mac's method, but so far i have done it the other way. I sing three versions on three separate tracks and then on a forth track i copy and paste the very best parts of each until i have a flawless take. It is easy and fast.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96
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Does RB have an auto cross-fade function?
I've done Mac's version of things before with volume automation, but also have created a comp track (my preferred method) by copying desired sections from various take tracks and pasting them into the comp track. You can choose the cross-fade type (linear, sigmoid function, exponential rise/decay, etc.)
With my current DAW software, there's an option so that overlapping audio snippets can be automatically cross-faded You can choose the cross-fade type (linear, sigmoid function, exponential rise/decay, etc.) This is still a non-destructive method inside of the comp'ed track as well as the source tracks. The cross-fading in this particular application is basically a real-time effect like volume enveloping. Let me tell you, when I was editing down some lectures for my wife's Bible study group (condense 2 different 45 minute lectures to fit onto a 74 minute CD) the auto cross-fading function became the favorite tool in the toolbox. I could snip out pregnant pauses, coughs, sighs, repetitive segments, and pull the forward segments onto the tail end of what I had left in place and zap it with a cross-fade.
Comping in this fashion is also non-destructive (all of the original material is still there for whatever desired use exists) and offers one significant benefit over individual volume envelopes - it is an actual track. Can be post processed for anything one desires as a whole. Add reverb, EQ, dynamics, only to one track.
You can do that also with volume automation ala Mac's version if you mute all of the tracks except for the individual take tracks, then export the resulting audio output to a single track, then just use that exported track in your mix, going back and muting the tracks that were the source of the comp track.
Depending on the DAW, volume automation can take up a bit more resources than just dealing with a mixed down track. Something to keep in mind. I don't know how RB works with volume automation.
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Does RB have an auto cross-fade function?
Would that it were so!
I'd settle for bein' able to draw the envelopes overtop of the Tracks View for starters...
--Mac
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Does RB have an auto cross-fade function?
Would that it were so!
I'd settle for bein' able to draw the envelopes overtop of the Tracks View for starters...
--Mac
Without that it's gotta take some patience. Well, still nothing as hard as it would be to dynamically ride faders on a multi-track tape playback/edit session - so you're still spoiled  Just kidding of course - well, kind of.
I use that function so much I can't imagine not having access to it. It's a real time saver for comping. Probably like when HP RPN calculator jocks tell me that they could never live without RPN. Me, I never took that plunge - calculators were getting better and better algebraic capability as I went through engineering school. I was a Sharp or TI guy all the way through. Still think my TI-85 is a great piece of kit, when I use it - my kids use it more than I do now.
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Without that it's gotta take some patience. Well, still nothing as hard as it would be to dynamically ride faders on a multi-track tape playback/edit session - so you're still spoiled Just kidding of course - well, kind of.
Piece o' cake if you know how to use your mixe's subgroups and all.
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You are right Mac as usual, but i will say it is far easier to do these type of jobs when you use a DAW that allows better editing, and has solid envelopes. You and I both know one in particular, that does such a jam up job on audio editing that it is frightfully painless.
Both RB and PTPA could really use full on envelopes, and a little better audio cut and paste capability. I have used the fader automation a few times but it take absolute concentration and a very steady hand, not to mention a bit of anticipation. There are just simpler ways.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96
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