Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
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Band-in-a-Box users would get the identical song sections, layout and multistyles in the BBPlugin.
Not until the plugin is able to accurately interpret a MGU or SGU song file. Earlier you agreed that should be the ultimate plugin goal. Presently the plugin can not accurately duplicate all song arrangements constructed in the main Band-in-a-Box program.
That is why I'm still here ! I'm not a programmer and knew nothing when I came her in 2009, I made Biab Track Inject in a short time it does all that.

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PowerTracks Generates up RealDrums it's self without using bbw2 bbw4 in the back ground !
I was not aware PowerTracks has that capability until you told me. Hopefully the main PowerTracks developer or the plugin developer will read this discussion and strike up a conversation about how the plugin can obtain the same capability.
Haven't you studied this: Making RealDrums Styles with Band-in-a-Box® there is a lot more details there than for UserTracks frown

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No! they (audio producers) won't be going near the main program ! They are DAW users, they don't want to learn the main program,
I disagree. Audio producers learn new products everyday. Yes time is money. The time audio producers spend learning how to use the chord sheet to build a song arrangement is money they may not loose because they can't get the audio track their customer desires when the customer needs it.
I've mentioned it to some in Nashville and they said they tried and could not work it out, my first dealings with Biab/RB was the wonderful end results BUT so much frustration, this IS the only reason why I'm still here, I went to Toontrack forum once to suggest EZGuitar/Bass. I was in RapidComposer beta forum suggesting functions and features and they were all implemented right away, no arguing, no fighting, no fierce opposition if you suggest mute/solo buttons that drag out for years until they are finally implemented: "solo mute button, unheard of what is this craziness ??" same deal when I suggested solo/mute for RealBand, Volume Automation in RealBand so you don't have to destructive edit that Charlie loves, only just now implemented in Biab along with non destructive RealTrack editing. Again where would you guys be now ?

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Is that what they said ??? what was the whole idea of Biab midi styles and conductor ?
No, I said PG Music has not shown any interest in competing with arranger keyboards. This quotation from the BiaB user manual doesn't remind me of an arranger keyboard.
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These settings are ideal for live performance or “jam sessions” where you aren’t entering new Band-in-a-Box songs but want full control of the playback.

I said they need to do it before Yamaha do it, and this was some time back but not Yamaha but KETRON has just done it. Are they competing with PG now ? Can I send chords from my DAW to Ketron and get RealTracks sent back ?? YES

When we discuss accurately recreating the tracks from a Band-in-a-Box song file you refer to your Reaper Track Injector script. I understand you are using your Reaper Track Injector script to suggest: (1) if tracks are generated in the main BiaB program, (2) if generated tracks are frozen in the main BiaB program and (3) if the song file is saved as a SGU or MGU file then (1) tracks do not need to be regenerated and (2) each track's wave instructions can be read to regenerate tracks that are identical to what was saved in the song file or the wave instruction data can be manipulated to create new tracks. Is my understanding correct? If so then the Reaper Track Injector script reinforces how the main BiaB program is required to generate and freeze tracks so the wave instructions can be read later on.
Yes the Track Injector reads the Biab track data, but once that generate code is moved to the BBPlugin it will be all done in the Plugin without bbw4. The Plugin won't have to wait inline for the Biab Delphi guys to fix/add something to bbw4 so the Plugin works again, it will be all in the BBPlugin, self contained, it can't head any other way, it's divine providence.

Your assumption is audio producers will not try the main Band-in-a-Box program because of the look of the interface and difficulty to use. Of course I disagree.
Yes I agree they will be turned on by being able to sync it to their DAW, any time signature, any decimal tempo map, over 255 bars and even VST3 plugins. Do you know how many years I fought to get VstTimeInfo for VSTs like EZdrummer ?? again this is the whole reason why I'm here, see what I'm doing now, this is all part of it, I did not give up back in 2009 and say "I could not be bothered". What I would like to see is users get more involved, test things out to prove it to yourselves OMG if you can use Biab you can try Reaper and the things I post, you can't condemn before a thorough investigation. You are too scared to try Reaper and you say that Studio guys will learn Biab ???
How many Biab users have even be bothered to try the Biab scripts in Reaper to see how easy things can work so as to make Biab better ?? REAPER is FREE to try n try n try... Again if I wasn't here what would you guys have now ???

The plugin does look much better than the main program. The plugin is adequate for simple song file creation. The plugin will likely introduce new users to Band-in-a-Box. However the plugin will not replace the main BiaB program in creating songs that are not simple.
So Studio users will be looking to make up complex songs and will need Biab ? every song on the radio would of been made up in a Studio most likely using Pro Tools. They can add tracks/sections from the BBPlugin to the complex recorded DAW sessions. Are you saying they should give up doing it this way and move to Biab ? Biab has only just now got bar to bar beat to beat regen for RealTracks only.

As audio producers require more intricate tracks and discover that the main Band-in-a-Box program can meet their needs they will disregard the main program's interface. As the need arises they will learn how to utilize F5, F7, F8 and all the other advanced arrangement tools the main BiaB program offers. The main BiaB program is not going away.
Is Superior Drummer 3 & EZBass used for simple song creation ? what time signatures and tempo maps do they have, are they limited to 255 bars, can they use 24bit wav files ? The BBPlugin can work the same and not only use midi but recorded audio tracks.
It's wonderful how Studio guys can make up songs in Biab and it fits any time signature in their DAW. Old users going from the 90's into their 90's will still have Delphi Biab, but the BBPlugin/Standalone will become the new Biab for new users as the code is moved into the Plugin -Pitch Invaders and so many other bloated things. You have Tranzport in Biab but where is the BBsyncVST ? EZDrummer > EZBBvst. I showed higher than 4/4 time signatures UserTracks being transferred from the the BBPlugin to the DAW and fitting.


As audio producers compare the cost of the Audiophile package against the cost of loosing a customer because they don't have the backing tracks a customer wants the Audiophile package is a good value.
I purchased the Audiophile the day after the first time I received Biab. But where is the 24bit 48khz WavePack Audiophile ? Toontrack has a 24bit wav file 250gig Hard Drive.


Now for a question from me: What are you and Charlie currently doing now to make the Plugin better ? what suggestions do you have, what needs to change to get it up there with the likes of Superior Drummer 3 ?
With all the info I have posted has it helped you any to understand more how Biab & BBPlugin work ? Can you see how DAW use Non Destructive Editing for a reason ? Can you see all the steps the BBPlugin/bbw4 has to take just to get rendered wav files ? Can you see how it talks to bbw4 and what it does in the background ? Can you see the limitation of this ? Can you see what Injector does ? how it gives total control of what you get and not a consolidated, set in stone wav file.
Can you try the simple track transfer script or the even easier BBPlugin MultiRiff Transfer then try editing the tracks and see how easy it is ? is there anyway at all that you can possibly TRY that ???
Can you think of a better way for this to work so you get instant tracks ?
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Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
My stand alone version of sforzando is 1.6.0.5 6/29/21 and the vst version is 1.9.2.7.6/29/21 but like Dan, sforzando is working ok in my BIAB software, so I'll leave things as they are. In my case, I also don't have any current use for the standalone and I'm not looking to risk breaking my BIAB program.

It's high risk updating ! 5 users died last week doing it ! and because now they give you a VST3 version of Sforzando as well 32 and 64bit VST. If you are using Biab only in your "Studio" you won't want the VST3 as it won't work in Biab and will only work in new DAWs that you probably don't use.
So best to just leave it to me to do it all ? If you guys are afraid to do that but expect DAW only users to learn and use Biab ?
It's 2023 guys you are stuck in a time warp.



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