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You culd also open your PT, which is working - and *without loading a song at all so that settings won't be possibly changed* - go to Prefs -> Audio and grab screenshots or jot down all the settings as you find them there.
Then open RB and compare those settings in order to find out what might be different there.
If you find somethings set differently, change it to the way it is in your working PT copy.
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Bob and Mac,
Bob: This is the procedure that I have been using. I thought that perhaps there was a menu that I was missing.
Mac: I checked both programs to be sure and they are the same.
FWIW: Does it have any bearing that I can sing an audio track into this file and be in time?
A simple workaround is that I can start a file in RB and if the need arises for a midi file to open the file and record midi in PT and then reopen the file in RB.
Thanks for your input.
Don S.
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Check your MIDI settings in BiaB against those in PT.
I've got a feeling you may be invoking a *software* MIDI synth in RB and not the hardware synth...
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Mac,
I just generated a new song of 100 measures completely in RB, with the same effect.
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I'm gonna hang it help for a while. This thing has consumed me for the last few days. I was a bit put out with the PG support. The guy wouldn't let me talk to explain the problem. In fact he tried to talk me down.
I started out to work on my timing. I can do that BB or PT and of course the metronome.
Don S.
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Don,
You still have me going around in circles here. First you mention Coyote Forte DXi and then Emu HW synth. Please answer these questions specifically:
1. Is the song you use to practice all Midi?
2. If all Midi is it being reproduced by the Forte DXi or the HW synth?
3. Is the thru channel going to the HW synth or the Forte DXi?
Please go to Prefs/audio/audio drivers and tell us:
1. Input driver selected
2. Output driver selected.
3. audio driver type
Go to Prefs/midi/midi devices and tell us:
1. Input driver
2. output driver
3. Default synth
4. Is re-route midi playback to default synth checked off.
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John, Sorry about the confusion. Appreciate your interest.
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Don,
You still have me going around in circles here. First you mention Coyote Forte DXi and then Emu HW synth. Please answer these questions specifically:
1. Is the song you use to practice all Midi?- Yes
2. If all Midi is it being reproduced by the Forte DXi or the HW synth? - HW synth
3. Is the thru channel going to the HW synth or the Forte DXi? - Forte
Please go to Prefs/audio/audio drivers and tell us:
1. Input driver selected for MME Realtek- Line High Definition Audio -- for ASIO - ASIO4all V. 2
2. Output driver selected. for Realtex MME Speakers High Definition Audio -- for ASIO - ASIO4all V. 2
3. audio driver type primarily ASIO but MME acts the same
Go to Prefs/midi/midi devices and tell us:
1. Input driver E-mu Xmidi 1X 1
2. output driver E-mu Xmidi 1X 1
3. Default synth - Forte DXI
4. Is re-route midi playback to default synth checked off. - Yes "
Don S.
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Uncheck re-route midi playback to default synth................. so that the song and your keyboard will be playing the HW synth. It appears that's what your after.
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I have tried that, John. No difference.
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deleted- wrong thread.
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I am recording a midi track to a song originated in BB for the purpose of checking my timing.
For comparison I have been trying both BB and RB.
I am using a E-Mu USB midi cable rerouted to Coyote DXI
Everything is fine in BB but in RB the timing error gets progressively worse as the song goes on.
That's about the best that I can explain it.
That's for your patience.
Don S.
Don, you're confusing everybody with your choice of words. I'm not trying to dump on you but you're not explaining this very well at all. Here you're saying you're using your EMU USB cable routed to the Coyote DXi then later in this thread you say this:
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In Realband, I'm using ASIO and an E-mu external hardware synth which has 0 latency to play in a track from my keyboard.
Then you said this in response to Silvertones John:
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You still have me going around in circles here. First you mention Coyote Forte DXi and then Emu HW synth. Please answer these questions specifically:
1. Is the song you use to practice all Midi?- Yes
2. If all Midi is it being reproduced by the Forte DXi or the HW synth? - HW synth
3. Is the thru channel going to the HW synth or the Forte DXi? - Forte
Please go to Prefs/audio/audio drivers and tell us:
1. Input driver selected for MME Realtek- Line High Definition Audio -- for ASIO - ASIO4all V. 2
2. Output driver selected. for Realtex MME Speakers High Definition Audio -- for ASIO - ASIO4all V. 2
3. audio driver type primarily ASIO but MME acts the same
Go to Prefs/midi/midi devices and tell us:
1. Input driver E-mu Xmidi 1X 1
2. output driver E-mu Xmidi 1X 1
3. Default synth - Forte DXI
4. Is re-route midi playback to default synth checked off. - Yes "
You keep referring to your EMU hardware synth. The EMU Xmidi 1X1 is not a hardware synth. This is what it is so everybody knows http://www.emu.com/products/product.asp?category=610&subcategory=611&product=15188 This is merely a usb powered midi cable, that's it. You mentioned you're using ASIO along with the EMU USB cable as if that matters. If you were using a hardware synth, ASIO is irrelevant anyway.
Finally you said this:
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This thing has consumed me for the last few days. I was a bit put out with the PG support. The guy wouldn't let me talk to explain the problem. In fact he tried to talk me down.
I have to say I don't blame him, Don. You're making no sense here and if you talked to him like you're writing now, there's no way he could help you. You have to have some basic understanding of the concepts and terminology being used or the two of you wind up speaking different languages.
I don't believe you have a hardware synth but just to make sure, exactly what keyboard (make and model number) do you have plugged into your EMU Xmidi 1X1? Also, what are you using for sound? Are you simply using headphones going into your PC or are you using external speakers? If it's external speakers what are they plugged into?
The only thing that makes sense here is I do believe your ears. If the timing is gradually creeping off then you do have a legitimate problem but we have to nail down your setup first.
Bob
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Well I didn't think there was an Emu synth but I figured you know. I should have Googled.
Then it's simple:
You've got to use ASIO unfortunatly ASIO 4 all
1. Song is MIDI to the Forte
2. Audio Input driver Doesn't matter
3.Audio Output DriverASIO 4 All
4. Check the re-route Midi playback to default synth.
5. Midi input driver the Emu
6. Midi output Driver doesn't matter.
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I have to say I don't blame him, Don. You're making no sense here and if you talked to him like you're writing now, there's no way he could help you. You have to have some basic understanding of the concepts and terminology being used or the two of you wind up speaking different languages.
You're right, I do have a lot to learn. As to the support guy, I didn't get a chance to confuse him, because he wasn't listening.
As to the HW synth, a popup message from RB told me that I couldn't set latency since it appeared that I was using an HW synth which was automatically set to 0.
I do appreciate everyone's efforts to help me, but I'm going to drop it.
Thanks all,
Don
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Don, when you said
"As to the HW synth, a popup message from RB told me that I couldn't set latency since it appeared that I was using an HW synth which was automatically set to 0."
This tells us something in the setup is off, since you are not using an external HW synth...
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OK dropped. Next customer!
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Hold on, Don. A quick review. Do you have the latest PT upgrade? You say PT works fine, but the same setup in RB (latest?) produces gradual latency. Have you compared your PT setup with RB? Have you checked the Windows Sounds and Audio devices? What is the Midi Playback setting and is "use default" checked? Seems to me if PT (latest) works then so should RB. If you can say to tech support, that PT can do this but RB can't do it as well, this gives them a starting point. I noticed that PT works smoother on similar functions than RB. Also Don I do not use synths so maybe I am out of my depth. So try to compare RB and PT exactly - I think the problem is that comparison. Good Luck - Ian 
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FWIW:
I have yet to find an answer as to why my midi input was progressively behind the beat, using Vista 64 with a USB midi input cable.My MME was a Realtek onboard but ASIO made no difference.
Due to problems on the Vista machine, I am now running BB & RB from the supplied HD on my old XP machine using the same USB midi input and a SB soundcard.
I can now play in a midi track "in time."
Go figure.
Don S.
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I have a file where i made a harmony track with TC plugin inside PT, it was a song that was prodused in RB, and i moved it to PT to do the harmony track, well it plays fine in PT, but once back in RB the harmony sections are slowly moving ahead of the lead voal track.
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Same machine?
Same soundcard selected?
Same bitrate in both programs?
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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