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These don't fit real time signatures in a DAW. I had to make up UserTracks with real time signatures but change the tempo so they fit the DAW.
This is why it's not sustainable how it works now. Bite the bullet, don't let it drag out any longer, it's too painful to watch.
Users ask for real time signatures, more bars, 48khz 24bit for years n years but it's always a fight against it: 64 bit no way make do with JBridge, the BBPlugin making do with BBW4, can't work on that because we are doing Mac, dragging it out.
"The Writing Is On The Wall" and there is still resistance.
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> I had to make up UserTracks with real time signatures
UserTracks are for use in BiaB. There’s no need to set a timesig like 12/8 in a DAW, you should set to 4/4 in the DAW for your UserTracks and you will be fine.
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If you want to fit tracks to existing real time signatures, this is why Toontracks give you a choice of real time signatures.
You may have backed yourself in a corner with no way out in Biab like other aspects of it, but you have a golden opportunity to get it all sorted out in the Plugin when you get away from old BBW4.
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In Reaper I can generate up userstracks for any existing real time signatures, any number of bars, I can generate up RealDrums in Reaper for any number of bars. I'm sure Logic with AI instruments and chord track can do the same, in an iPad also.
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> but you have a golden opportunity to get it all sorted out
There are already a number of things still planned for time signatures in Band-in-a-Box. We currently don’t support every time signature, we just the n/4 time signatures (3/4, 4/4, 5/4 etc.) and the compound time signatures (6/8,9/8,12/8). But we don’t support odd time sigs like 7/8, 11/8, or 13/16. Support for that is on the roadmap, as well as improving the display so when you set it to 6/8, everything says 6/8 and the bar lines are every 2 beats,
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> There are already a number of things still planned for time signatures in Band-in-a-Box. We currently don’t support every time signature, we just the n/4 time signatures (3/4, 4/4, 5/4 etc.) and the compound time signatures (6/8,9/8,12/8). But we don’t support odd time sigs like 7/8, 11/8, or 13/16. Support for that is on the roadmap, as well as improving the display so when you set it to 6/8, everything says 6/8 and the bar lines are every 2 beats, Hi Peter, Thanks for the reminder about setting up these time signatures. I remember playing with these quite a while ago and I never returned them. It's time for me to get adventurous in 5/4 or 7/4 now that there are so many Realtracks to choose from! When it comes to songwriting, BIAB has already opened a million doors for me that I didn't know about. I cannot praise your software strongly enough nor enthusiastically enough. For me, you and your team really have taken the IMPOSSIBLE and turned it into I'M POSSIBLE. --Noel
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If I can generate up tracks in the same sig as the DAW is currently in so they will fit to the existing tracks, then that will work.
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We currently don’t support every time signature, we just the n/4 time signatures (3/4, 4/4, 5/4 etc.) Will 5/4 eventually be correctly displayed in a single 5/4 measure, or will it remain presented in two separate measures of alternating 3/4 and 2/4 as it is now? (My sight reading is excellent, however, I really struggle to count in 5/4 while reading this 2-measure format) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27973&filename=2024-05-13_16-58-40.jpg)
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Proper 5/4 formatting would be one of the #2 improvements I would hope could be delivered.
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There’s a single function to set 5/4 for a number of bars. Of course, but that doesn't stop the maximum length for a 5/4 song now being only 127 '5/4' bars.
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This is what I've recommended for several years. Even with the 'normal' number of new RealTracks, loops and styles, I think it would be the right way to go. Same for me! I agree with some saying that many of the old limitations would imply a complete rewrite. But I also would add that... perhaps it's about time to address the limitations mentioned.
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Is it a Mission Impossible ? maybe forget getting blood out of a stone, maybe that's why I say concentrate on the Plugin, get rid of the old BBW4 with all these limitations that have been brought over and start anew. Mission_Impossible.mid The DAW will handle an impossible mission but it's out in Biab. I remember Mission Impossible from when I was a kid, they always accomplished the mission ! Can PG do this with the Plugin ? or is it another dead horse flogging that will drag out ad infinitum ? ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27974&filename=Miss-Imposs.png) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27975&filename=Miss-Imposs-Biab-Reaper.png)
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Sorry, useless I know, but I am feeling snarky today.
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I think you’re good. My reply trying to change the rules was a bit snarky and I try very hard to suppress that urge here most of the time.
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I would choose 2. I find new real tracks very desirable. Simple database search features for existing content is still weak although much better this year. I see less need for prepackaged styles. Give me more real tracks and the tools to find them!
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#2.
but then im conflicted..lol.
i see such huge potential for fab new bb tracks view to slay anything ive used or seen in music apps...and also useing such meaning i dont have to flit tween different music apps constantly etc etc.
i came across something i would really love this week ie...to save me time auditioning lots of styles and drums..i just would like to tap out a rhythm and then bb shows me a list of styles and session muso content that might fit.
i spend lots of time you see auditioning loads of styles and content in my crazy search for uber fab styles and sounds that i call gold nuggets....
as i said conflicted..
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Querying with more than one variable can make interpretation of the results uncertain. I think I understand how Rob wants to help, yet I am unsure whether the more votes for option #2 are for more RealTracks, or for fixes instead of new features. That’s why I suggested keeping the number of new RealTracks the same. I’m sure they have a process, budget, and timetable for this labor-intensive work, and speeding it up may not be an option.
So, what I would hope to learn from the poll is very simple. Do people here prefer emphasis for next year on
1) adding 50 new features
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2) making 10 to 20 fixes
[I vote #2, big time]
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Yes that is the point right there. Maybe i muddied the water by using RTs as part of the example. I was sort of leaning on the idea of more Rts and style that features, offering something for PGM to put out there as bait for sales. Just slowing down the idea of features was met with some level of resistance last time. But focusing on fixes and bugs while offering more content would be a double-edged sword. Giving PGM sellable content and also making users happy with bug repair.
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