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Crash and Burn This is an older song remixed using some of the input from previous forum posts. Will often place a sad lyric in a happy tune, but went for Orbison-esque pathos on this one. I don't usually use the BiaB Oohs because they seldom sound natural to my ears, but tried modding them with Melodyne Studio to tame the swooping attack. Am encouraged by the result. (The BiaB Ooh BGVs are on the bridge that precedes the final chorus. Dusty sings his own arrangement of BGVs on the final chorus.) Thanks in advance for any listens and input! R.W. Davis: lyrics D.A. Hughes: vocals, BGV arrangement (chorus) Me: First Responder Style is _CREASE.STY (Crease Americana Pop) RealTracks in style: 2903:Bass, Acoustic, BluesyPopByron Ev 100 RealTracks in style: 691:Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming AcRockBright Ev 120 RealTracks in song: 3552:Multi[Thickened=5] Vocal Oohs-Aahs, Rhythm Pop3-part Ev 085 RealTracks in song: 1757:Accordion, Rhythm Pop8ths Ev 085 RealDrums in style:Americana16GroovinBrushFred^1-a,b:Brushes,Toms I tried to be optimistic And wished for the best But I became pessimistic And under duress I tried to be hopeful And stay on the course But it was so painful And felt mighty forced I pinned all my hopes On hoping you would return But you knew all my hopes Would eventually crash and burn I tried to be simplistic And not complicated But you became ballistic And so aggravated I tried to calm you down And say something nice You didn’t stick around Tho’ I asked you twice I pinned all my hopes On hoping you would return But you knew all my hopes Would eventually crash and burn Thin-skinned and undisciplined You were so very hard to read I grinned and felt chagrined Knowing I would not succeed In the end I could not pretend Because you are all I need I pinned all my hopes On hoping you would return But you knew all my hopes Would eventually crash and burn...
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Ron,
This is great. Yes, definitely an Orbison feel, but I'm also getting a bit of J.D. Souther. Really nice. Dusty has an excellent voice.
Love the tracks selection and the mix is perfect.
A new favorite for me!
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Old is good, especailly when renrewed by such a strong talent, Ron. You bring up an often-overlooked but such a BIG part of this forum in how it helps us develop our craft. I too have learned much from comments here. Well, if anyone reads this one they'll know how much I really like this song. I like the feeling and the way you've built it with with those ooze and oz. GREAT idea of remodeling them --a very timely comment that I can learn from. Never thought of that. Well, this crash and burn has risen as a Phoenix. Thanks!
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Ron, This is great. Yes, definitely an Orbison feel, but I'm also getting a bit of J.D. Souther. Really nice. Dusty has an excellent voice. Love the tracks selection and the mix is perfect. A new favorite for me! Bob Bob, THANKS for the listen and the nice review. J.D. Souther is a monster songwriter, he was everywhere back in the day. He should have been more famous, even though he did very well. Yes, Dusty DOES have an excellent voice, and he's got a great interpretive ear. A lot of fun to work these songs with him. But heck, HE should be more famous, too. Ha! Glad you enjoyed the tune! Old is good, especailly when renrewed by such a strong talent, Ron. You bring up an often-overlooked but such a BIG part of this forum in how it helps us develop our craft. I too have learned much from comments here. Well, if anyone reads this one they'll know how much I really like this song. I like the feeling and the way you've built it with with those ooze and oz. GREAT idea of remodeling them --a very timely comment that I can learn from. Never thought of that. Well, this crash and burn has risen as a Phoenix. Thanks! Marty, great observation about the utility of the forum. It's like a masterclass in songcraft seen through a BiaB lens. Cool stuff. The Melodyne trick is a good one to remember for any wayward RealTrack. Melodyne Studio is my single most expensive software purchase, but the best value of anything I've ever bought. Oh, and the SONG...glad you liked it! In the words of Sir Elton, Sad Songs say so much...
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DCRon, this is fantastic
Great vocal and lyrics
Outstanding mix
Loved it
PS - thanx for the Melodyne tip. I have used Melodyne on RTs and other audio tracks but never on the oohs and ahs. I'll have to try that.
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When the accordion came in I thought how cool this song'd sound with a Ry Cooder/Chicken Skin Music treatment.
I enjoyed the song & the story but "And felt mighty forced." sounded just that.
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Good song, Ron, love your production chops and always great to hear Dusty's vocal.
I feel the same about those oohs and ahs tracks, most of the time they are not doing what I want them to do. Never crossed my mind to use Melodyne to modify them, thanks for the tip!
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DCRon, this is fantastic Great vocal and lyrics Outstanding mix Loved it PS - thanx for the Melodyne tip. I have used Melodyne on RTs and other audio tracks but never on the oohs and ahs. I'll have to try that. Thanks, Marty! When the accordion came in I thought how cool this song'd sound with a Ry Cooder/Chicken Skin Music treatment. I enjoyed the song & the story but "And felt mighty forced." sounded just that. Re-watched the 1977 Ry Cooder Old Grey Whistle Test concert. Probably my favorite era for Ry, though they were all better than good. I like the "mighty forced" line myself as it compactly reveals a sliver of the narrator's perspective that might be otherwise lost. But I get it. THANKS for the listen! Good song, Ron, love your production chops and always great to hear Dusty's vocal. I feel the same about those oohs and ahs tracks, most of the time they are not doing what I want them to do. Never crossed my mind to use Melodyne to modify them, thanks for the tip! Dave, glad you liked the tune! Only just started using Melodyne on the Oohs, but once I got into it, it took just minutes to fix everything to my (near) satisfaction.
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I well written and crafted song, though I bit too pessimistic for me  I'm an optessimist: I bizarrely derive a positive view of the future via a pessimistic view of the present!
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I well written and crafted song, though I bit too pessimistic for me I'm an optessimist: I bizarrely derive a positive view of the future via a pessimistic view of the present! I'm also an optimist, and the glass is ALWAYS at least 3/4 full for me, BUT...my reading of the lyric (which is not mine) is a look backwards at a false hope of reconciliation. So this is perhaps more anguish than pessimism. Your are correct that it IS a SERIOUS downer though. Sometimes, love stinks. THANKS for the listen, and never stop being an optimist...we need the company!! Ha!
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Very nice. I don't recall ever hearing anyone else using the accordion in their music. It was a perfect fit.
Great song too.
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Ron,
What a lovely track! It's so well produced! The vocal production here is wonderful!
Love that bridge going to the minor chord!
Everything I've heard from you has been excellent!
Thanks, TB
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Hi, Ron. Clever write, well sung and produced. An enjoyable bit of pop, which is something you excel at. 
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Very nice. I don't recall ever hearing anyone else using the accordion in their music. It was a perfect fit. Great song too. Thanks, Herb! The basic RealStyle only had the acoustic guitar, so added the accordion on the 2nd verse to make it more interesting. Think our time in New Orleans gave me an appreciation for the instrument, though it's usually more rambunctious in New Orleans style music. It does pair nicely with an acoustic guitar. Ron, What a lovely track! It's so well produced! The vocal production here is wonderful! Love that bridge going to the minor chord! Everything I've heard from you has been excellent! Thanks, TB Gee, THANKS, Torrey! Dusty's vocals make vocal production a lot of fun. I also enjoy sending the bridge on a little side journey, then syncing it back up. I'm SO easily amused...THANKS for the listen! Hi, Ron. Clever write, well sung and produced. An enjoyable bit of pop, which is something you excel at. THANK YOU, David! Sometimes I worry that having fun making songs about depression is wrong, but mostly I don't. Ha!
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Ron...You and Dusty have done it again...another super song...I really dig Dusty's vocals (I hope I've said that before)...the harmonies are killer....you did a great job with the Ooh's...I agree that they're hard to work with but you nailed them ...love the acoustic, unplugged feel of the track...one of your best writes and productions IMHO...very nice!!
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Ron...You and Dusty have done it again...another super song...I really dig Dusty's vocals (I hope I've said that before)...the harmonies are killer....you did a great job with the Ooh's...I agree that they're hard to work with but you nailed them ...love the acoustic, unplugged feel of the track...one of your best writes and productions IMHO...very nice!! Thanks, Dan! Yes, Dusty is wonderfully talented, and we're fortunate to have him up front on these. I scored the harmonies (so thanks!) but Dusty really nails them. And what he does with the Ah BGVs is just gorgeous. There was a fork in the road on the production on going BIG or small, and I opted to keep the band intimate and let the vocals carry the dynamics. Glad you liked it! THANKS for the listen!!
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It is reminiscent of Orbison but also of the Mavericks … a good thing.
Dusty’s vocals sound great as do the BiaB touches.
The accordion provides a very supportive track.
Accordions are rarely used BiaB tracks but they offer a lot - at least to our ears.
Nice dynamic and open mix.
We’ve said that before you are very consistent with it and we love that mix style.
Simply stated … great in all aspects!
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I like that CREASE style. Fits the Orbison pathos well. I was expecting to hear a soaring high C at the end on "burn." Well sung. I particularly like this line: "Thin-skinned and undisciplined." The BIAB BGVs at the bridge sound good to me.
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It is reminiscent of Orbison but also of the Mavericks … a good thing. Dusty’s vocals sound great as do the BiaB touches. The accordion provides a very supportive track. Accordions are rarely used BiaB tracks but they offer a lot - at least to our ears. Nice dynamic and open mix. We’ve said that before you are very consistent with it and we love that mix style. Simply stated … great in all aspects! J&B J&B, THANKS for the listen and the favorable review. Had to look up the Mavericks, but I'm so glad you gave me a reason to. They are really quite a bit of fun. AND they often feature a very tastefully played accordion. Glad you enjoyed the tune! I like that CREASE style. Fits the Orbison pathos well. I was expecting to hear a soaring high C at the end on "burn." Well sung. I particularly like this line: "Thin-skinned and undisciplined." The BIAB BGVs at the bridge sound good to me. THANKS! The CREASE style is pretty sparse, so the accordion was an add by me. I like the way the acoustic guitar has a slightly more aggressive strumming pattern for the B subpart. I always start with A subpart on the verses and B on the chorus, but here I used B starting on the 2nd verse ("I tried to be optimistic") since it paired better with the lyric and gave a nice lift. Not sure where the top of Dusty's range is exactly, but haven't dialed up a high C yet. That would probably be cool. THANKS for the listen!
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This is great man.
I particularly like how you crafted the bridge and final chorus.
Great job!
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