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In the Edit Mode I can cut copy move resize the drum sections, but to build the drum track I want I need to be able to copy section to another track, it doesn't seem to allow this how it is now. If I go by the RealDrum txt it will tell me what pattern is at what bar number, if the section showed the file name and bar number it would help to find the section you want. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29625&filename=BB25-Drum-Edit-2-Tracks.png)
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Mcity.
my opinion is much as the new bb tracks view is a great idea conceptually rb tracks view slays imho for all sorts of editing and tricks and comping to finals.
ie more flexibility. just one example is i can comp to a final track from various takes of say a drum or vocal or other track easily in rb.
i'm sure there are two groups of bb users...
one group wanting more daw like editing flexibility in bb and others maybe not.
ie,various opinions. i'm in the former group.
frankly i find rb way way ahead.
ive tried mightily to find ways to enjoy editing tracks in bb but my opinion is new bb tracks view needs more work re ease of editing of both audio and midi.
i have it all in rb...more tracks for comping, more tracks to generate pg content on and the biggie for me is in rb i can see all tracks and edit in context say one track versus the others.
whearas in bb much when it comes to audio and midi editing rb tracks view is superior
and easier to use.
for example if i'm useing bb audio editor i can only see one track at a time in bb....so i cant edit in context re all other tracks.
so often i use bb as a quickie scratch pad for ideas then off to rb i go and import the bb song scratch file and go on from there.
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om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 12/29/24 05:16 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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"frankly i find rb way way ahead." coals to Newcastle, yes it has got a lot of features as I spent years trying to improve it Here's the dilemma: I have this file Biab file Demo-all-mixer-tracks-255-bars-Biab-frozen.sgu = 1.2meg If I open it in RB it has 1.3gig of wav files and takes a long time to generate, RB can have more than 255 bars and more than 24 tracks, how many gig will that be ? and every edit creates a new wav file If I open it in Reaper it opens instantly using flac files and saves as a 2meg project, I can edit all day long without it creating new wav files from the edits The Plugin is great but at the moment it won't open frozen SGU or flac I have 30gig free space left on my hard drive. You can post some ideas here Going Off Half Cocked Into The Future or On Target ? to best solve this dilemma with these products both for Win & Mac users ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29627&filename=BB25-Win-Drives.png) ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29628&filename=RB25-Temp.png)
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I noticed RealBand 2025 has new options to hide unused tracks and to hide toolbars not needed. These are the kind of UI improvements I have been waiting for. I have never used RealBand before because the UI really turns me off the way it opens with a multitude of tiny track layers. When I open a BIAB song, I want to see audio waveforms much taller than what normally comes up in RealBand. The same is true with midi tracks. Is there a way to set the default track height higher than where it is presently set?
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assuming your talking rb....
are you saying you want a default template that you set up ? please detail further.
how tall do you want each track ?
and how many tracks do you want on the screen at once.
maybe rough out a pic and post it ?
not sure what you want.
for example i just set a few tracks as tall and saved as a template.
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om
ps macity. i'll have to answer another time...grubs up here...lol.
re your points thats a why in rb i map out a song useing a midi template till i have song finally arranged so i dont have lots of wav gens.
i mention in tips how i work to save me typing oodles.
mind you my songs are no more than 30 to 40 tracks cos i agree with an AE i once met ie 'you should be able to do a song in 30 to 40 tracks...martin/beatwells had way way less when they started out'.
all my songs in my sig only had around 30 tracks...
now whether they are any good i'll others to judge...lol.
frankly i'm useing reaps less these days.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 12/29/24 12:19 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Yes, I am talking about Realband. I'd like to load a BIAB song file with 7 - 8 realtracks and see larger waveforms in the track view than the default. These tracks would fill the screen area on a 1440p monitor. There is a way to make a template to achieve this? How? Thanks for responding.
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its easier if you layout your song arrange in rb.
heres what i did...i did it all in rb.
1..set the track heights i wanted.
2..laid out my chords in chord sheet.
3..genned the rd/rd session musos.
4..saved as whatever song name i wanted.
eg 'rock the new year'...lol.
then carry on working in rb saveing every now and then.
when finished exit rb make a cuppa tea...lol.
after tea break...
5..boot up rb then...
6..under FILE (top menu) youll see your latest song...in this case 'rock the new year.seq'.
opening the seq will set the desired track heights.
actually how i name songs are eg...
ROCK+THE+NEW+YEAR.seq.
now if initially you set your track heights and you only need do this ONCE for all songs your doing.
with blank tracks set track heights and save as
JHG+TEMPLATE.seq
THEN...
when you start a new song eg lets say the songs called
'beagles serenade' then just load the JHG+TEMPLATE.seq and your track heights will automaticaly display...then save the song as BEAGLES+SERENADE.seq
see ? in summary each time you start a new song just load the jhg template and your needed track heights will already set...et voila.
ie you dont HAVE TO use bb. you can do it all in rb.
the only idea is IF you MUST use bb you will need to import the bb song THEN set the track
heights and save as seq once and go on from there for each song imported.
is there a reason you MUST use bb ?
thats all i got .
just experiment.
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om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 12/29/24 07:45 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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Justanoldmuso:
I arrange songs in BIAB and load them into RealBand. I see I can drag a track to the height I want, but half of the track underneath the audio waveforms is wasted blank space. There is nothing in preferences to turn that behavior off and just get the waveforms filling the track height. Unless there is a way and I am not seeing it.
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i dont know what you mean re wasted space.
best idea is to post a pic of how you want it.
the issue is when importing from bb it resets to default even tho one has the track heights set...
whereas if you lay out the song in rb all seems fine.
i would also talk to pg support.
only other option and youll have to do this for each bb import is after import set the tracks the way you want and save the song.
youll have to do this once per song.
answer me this what do you need in bb you cant get in rb ??
also you might want to post a wish in rb wishlist.
the problem for developers...and ive been one...is if the dev implemented all diverse user wishes that the exe would balloon.
so choices are made. cant keep everyone happy
thats all i got.
om
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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MP.
gotcha...but if you notice the area to the right of track labels ...
ie green line is for adding automation points under waveform. i can get it nice and big here.
however its a fair point that the area under the track labels is empty space...however...this might be reserved for future features.
we used to do this all the time industry.
with respect mp your 'wasted space here' is too wide because thats the automation area.
the width needs to be reduced to the width of the
track info on left hand side.
you can also double click on the waveform as an option.
please post a pic how you would like it.
for the dev....or in wishes.
but note...the reason why some daws have big exe's is user flexibility re manipulation the display a ton of ways to sunday and other feature flexibilities.
its always tradeoffs eh ?
in summary the dev cant win because what one user might want another might want a different way. ie a zillion different user preferences.
in industry if we had catered in an app for an app
to be configged a zillion different ways it would have been a coding maintenance nightmare and tearing our hair out.
there are often no good solutions.
some user somewhere is gonna be teed off irrespective of what the dev does.
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om
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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You should be able zoom track height with drag or zoom them all with ctrl+mouse wheel and it not show the automation lane unless you click the little arrow ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29632&filename=RB25-Track-Zoom.png)
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Musocity:
You said,
"zoom them all with ctrl+mouse wheel and it not show the automation lane unless you click the little arrow"
Yes, ctrl+mouse wheel while clicking on a audio waveform is ideal for zooming them all. That is, until at a certain point, the automation lanes open up and you have all that wasted space under the waveforms. There is no option to turn off the automation lanes so waveforms can get much bigger. (Also midi notes) This is an item for the wishlist.
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yep its a item for the wish list.
i can remember hilarious stuff re graphics and the ui years ago on reaper forums.
'i want reaps to look like pro tools'
'i want it to look like cubase' etc
or whatever daw.
and so it goes....lol.
ideally all screen displays would totally be configurable in any way any user wants.
but its a nightmare for a developer.
been there done that....and at the end of it all
there is always a user who says 'my way or the highway'.
i can remember a senior veep in an org i worked in once wanting all screens to be different from everyone else. a costly endevour of course which he realised once he saw the potential bill.
bottom line ask a thousand users re 'how they want an apps look and feel' and a dev gets a ton of different opinions.
lol....when i tried that with a group of users it was like a huge battle royal erupted....dont even get me started re user keyboard shortcuts....battle royals tween user groups once again.
i just couldnt get them to agree or sign off on a specification.
c'est la vie.
have a wonderfull new year everyone and happiness always.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 12/30/24 12:56 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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jhg.
ok tell me if this solution floats your boat.
here are the steps...
1..do your work as you would normally in bb.
genning pg content etc.
2..keeping the bb tracks view open.
save song as music xml.
3..open rb. so NOW you have both bb and rb open.
4..load up a song template into rb youve previously saved with your track heights etc set the way you want.
5..now in rb import the music xml file and youll see the bb chords in rb chords view.
6..from bb tracks view drag each track into its own rb track.
7..then youll see the waveform for each bb track now in rb.
8..now save the rb song as your song name whatever it is as a seq.
9..now you can continue working in rb or
generate tracks in bb or rb.
10..A BIG NOTE...so you dont lose tracks somewhere.
ENSURE that bb and rb share the same song dir.
eg if a song is called 'LETS ALL ROCK'. done in december 2024.
set up a dir >>>LETS+ALL+ROCK+DEC2024...
and this is the folder all rb and bb tracks and song saves will go into. otherwise if you dont do this youll be hunting around on a drive.
ps..note various options in the dialogs for bb export xml
and rb import xml. so experiment with them.
i just went with defaults here. but experiment etc.
et voila...now tell me if any probs and if it floats your boat.
i tested the above here.
happiness.
om
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 12/30/24 03:39 PM.
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Justanoldmuso:
4. "... previously saved with your track heights etc set the way you want."
Like I said, I can't get the track height the way I want. As I drag it downward, the waveform gets a little thicker until suddenly, the automation lane opens up (which I call wasted space) and the waveform is skinny again. I am having a much better result dragging BIAB tracks into Studio One. Thanks for your efforts and let's see what they come up with for RealBand 2026.
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![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29642&filename=Screenshot (44).png) If you click the white automation box it gives you the option to not show the Node automation
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![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=29643&filename=Screenshot (45).png) Also if you hold the CTRL key and scroll the mouse wheel in the tracks area it will expand all the tracks just like MCity did with Reaper let go and scroll it lengthens them hold CTRL and the height is adjusted. Easy peasy exactly what you wanted no waiting for 2026
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Rob:
Great! That was easy. I guess now I'll do a deep dive on the Realband manual. Thanks again!
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Rob.
excellent graphic.
frankly i'm confused on the topic.
see that empty space on left of waveforms ?
i thought this was also an op issue as track heights are increased.
i must be going silly as i age...lol.
here in reaps same thing...as i make waveform height larger....
in reaps wasted space on left.
frankly it would help us vision impaired people if the track info on left of a track got bigger also as track height is increased. sometimes in both reaps and rb i often am 'squinting'. in fact recently testing lots of different daws viz rb i found myself squinting at various times.
eg...in reaps i find myself squinting with other things like automation....i find all the time squinting and putting in automation i might as well have achieved same by editing.
entering automation points in any daw drive me nuts and i never seem to get it right.
i also am confused why the op isnt useing rb and then dropping tracks into S1 if wished...
because rb has many features not in bb....plus i like the rb track audio/midi editing better.
another thing i'm missing is if one imports a bb song into rb tracks assume their default...hence the template/xml alternative because this seemed to be an issue for the op.
Rob do you have a way to solve this ?...
other than my xml/template idea ?
obviously a workaround.
once again Rob great stuff.
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Last edited by justanoldmuso; 12/31/24 10:25 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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No Xtra Styles PAK is complete without the classic rock & pop, jazz, and country volumes you know and love, and we’ve got plenty to share, with 150 styles spread across too many genres to list! Of course, it also wouldn’t be complete with our special wildcard volume to add a little spice and pizzazz to the mix. This year, because we loved it so much the first time, we’ve decided to make the second iteration of our SynthMaster volume, full of new sounds, interesting genres, and 50 engaging styles, all making use of the diverse SynthMaster plugin! Here you can find genres such as airy yacht rock, sultry electrotango, and even some synth soca funk. Don’t wait, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 22 today!
In this PAK you can find: dulcet folk ballads, funky gospel country, Brazilian jazz fusion, upbeat 1980s pop, classic Americana, a plethora of breezy bossa novas, indie singer-songwriter, scintillating synthwave, exuberant electronica, and many, many more!
Special offers available until August 31st, 2026!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1-22 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 22 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 22.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 22 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 22 requires the 2026 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Peter Gannon Talks Band-in-a-Box with zplane
zplane recently interviewed Peter Gannon, the founder and creator of Band-in-a-Box, about the software's early days, what sets it apart from AI, how zplane's audio algorithms are used in Band-in-a-Box, and more!
Special thanks to the team at zplane for their continued support.
Check out the full interview here: https://products.zplane.de/blog/peter-gannon-interview-pg-music
Last Chance! The Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® Special Ends Today (May 31, 2026) at 11:59pm PDT!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PDT today!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the amazing new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. View the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to transcribe an entire track or transcribe specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Mac® to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Special Offers Extended Until May 31st!
Good news- we've extended our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® special offers until May 31, 2026!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 is packed with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can transcribe an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PDT on May 31st, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Check out the Band-in-a-Box® for Mac packages page to find the best package for you.
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