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To the point Charlie made, doing the editing in the tracks view has several advantages over the audio edit window. Being able to edit in line with the other tracks is vital. Now that the cursor extends through the tracks you can cut, copy, paste and regenerate are just a few things that would be better if you had them at hand when you work. Being able to highlight an area in one track and then see it in relationship to the others is important. Sure you can change tracks in the AEW but it is still not the same. Currently, curser movement is the same between the two. Both are single track editors. There's no advantage to seeing the full length curser. It's only a view. Tracks View is a multi track view with single track functionality. The UX mock ups and discussions in these threads all say there still will be a need for a AEW panel for precise track editing. Regeneration is a single track function regardless how many tracks you see. Curser alignment between tracks is a breeze in both Tracks and AEW and is accurate and precise. Highlighting a region for an edit is maintained between all tracks in the AEW and movement is done by selecting the track name either in the AEW dropdown or using the BIAB Mixer. Highlighting a region for an edit is maintained between all tracks in the Tracks View is exactly the same. Functionality is the same. The results are the same. What's the vital issue?
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Obviously you do not do lot of editing in a DAW where you can comp or piece together a track or you would see what we are talking about. Being able to see the precise editing point while it is available in the AEW, it is simply not the same as when you can see it in a tracks view. When the tracks view was first discussed the idea was to have a DAW like environment to work in. Well it is not complete. Bringing the editing tools to the tracks view will complete that process. It will make editing familiar to those who do most of their editing in their DAWs tracks view.
Look i get it that some really like the AEW great there is no reason to remove it. Just bring the editing tools to the tracks view for those who like that method of editing.
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Just bring the editing tools to the tracks view for those who like that method of editing. +1
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" bring the editing tools to the tracks view"
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< Look i get it that some really like the AEW great there is no reason to remove it. Just bring the editing tools to the tracks view for those who like that method of editing >
I agree.
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Look i get it that some really like the AEW great there is no reason to remove it. Just bring the editing tools to the tracks view for those who like that method of editing. My vote for bringing the editing tools to the tracks view (this should be obvious to anyone) and then removing the audio edit window, since it wouldn't make any sense maintaining both views. If the developers are serious about redesigning and modernizing the GUI they should start by simplifying and removing obsolete / redundant stuff.
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Cerio, that's exactly what I offered on the first page of this thread  +1 Less views-less clutter.
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You're absolutely right, sorry, I did not read the whole thread. So +1 to your request
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Cerio, sorry?
No, Thank you! Now we got a proof of how very different customers thoughts are aligning.
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What's the difference between these two ? 1, the button in the Tracks window 2. the drop drown in the Audio Edit window 1. The Tracks button allows for non destructive editing though it need more adjustments for fades, drag up/down volume levels rather than typing in with right click, you need to be able to copy sections to a new track to create up the custom drums you need as it's too hard trying to do it on the current drum track by moving or extending/shortening sections. Once a custom drum track is built and you want stems it should build the stems to match the stereo drum track. This works as every section can be extended out to the whole source file, so each section contains the whole drum source file or whole source realtrack file, you can't do this with destructive editing. Also instantly change a guitar track from/to DI<>FX keeping the same sections. 2. The AEW drop down is destructive, this all needs to be non destructive for imported audio files same way the RealTrack edit works and in the Tracks view. This is just all normal DAW stuff. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30127&filename=BB25-Destructive-Non-Destructive.png)
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I'm really sorry for having to use Rapid Environment for Audio Production, Engineering, and Recording to show what needs improving, if anyone can show this in another way please do so and I will delete this post. Biab Tracks View needs better Riff Editing, I can fade and slow down or speed up Hold, if I try stretching in the AEW it will turn it into a wav., it needs to do it non destructively: ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30169&filename=Reaper-BB-Holds-3.gif)
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You need to automation under each track in Tracks View, they need to obey Snap and have a snap resolution, the nodes at the moment are too big and chunky. You need to be able to split, cut, copy and move midi sections, also having the snap to chord/scale as you may want a riff playing over another chord. The Midi is not working in Riff Edit either. ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=30170&filename=BB25-Midi-Edit.gif)
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Just reviewing micro chord exposes some very basic and simple improvements to track view you could make in the next build.
1) the timeline does not have even the most basic time makers. No 1/2 not 1/4. easy to fix. To improve to next level, it should show more time bar segmentation as you zoom in. 1/4 not to zoomed in 1/16th note resolution.
2) the chord section still does not show micro chords. This was reported in 2022.
3) the thru track has no business in the track view.
4) the snap button should be persistent, and snap exist start stop to a bar. More advance would be support the same snap you have in other views which allow setting it opt lower levels.
5) The loop button should be persistent. Its on until the customer turns t off.
These are all easy minor request that have been around for 3 years.
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since bbtv came out ive asked pg to put all typical editing tools in it. im sure pg knew once bbtv was introduced there would be demand for such. ...ive talked to various pg people over the years and hey aint stupid and also pg staff im sure use daw software to create their own songs.
as ive said at various times just give me a right click menu with all the editing features....akin to the right click menu in rb.
i agree aew would be redundant....
also chords view with chord entry and updating in bbtv ie a horizontal chord track in bbtv.
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There are lots of great suggestions here, thanks! We're definitely making GUI enhancements a priority this year, so it's great to hear all of these suggestions.
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Top points according to AI:
Improvement of Track View Functionality and Customizable Track Headers:
1) Enhanced Track Headers: Users suggest including controls for ARM (audio recording), FX, and PAN directly in the track headers for quick access and comprehensive track management.
Editable Volume Nodes: Allowing users to edit volume nodes directly in the Track View for more intuitive volume automation.
Play Marker: Adding a play marker to define the playback start point within the Track View.
Track Zoom: Enabling track zoom by pulling the edge of the track for more precise editing control.
2) Scrolling Improvements:
Page Up/Page Down Keys: Adding functionality for scrolling through tracks using Page Up and Page Down keys, enhancing navigation within the Track View.
3) Editable Chords in Timeline:
Direct Chord Editing: Supporting editable chords directly in the timeline, enabling users to edit chords more efficiently within the Track View.
4) Simplifying the User Interface (UI):
Alignment with Standard DAWs: Making the interface cleaner and more intuitive by removing redundant features and ensuring that only populated tracks are shown by default.
5) Integrated Editing Tools:
Unified Track Editing: Integrating editing tools such as cut, copy, paste, and move audio or MIDI sections directly within the Track View, making it the central hub for all editing activities.
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