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Thanks, Dan. I've been steered in a couple of good directions here. I always find getting the right pieces in place more difficult than actually working with them.
I've read a few other threads regarding the one path - MIDI improvement - that I still don't think I'm certain about. The Coyote Forte product seems decent enough, but not great. there seems to be a lot of players in that field.
What few RTs I've downloaded have been fantastic. I can't wait to get the whole set in a few days. The UltraPlusPak with all of the RTs should be a hoot. Earlier this evening, I did a chord chart for the old Blues classic by Robert Johnson, "Love in Vain" in Biab. Saved the file, opened in RB and replaced the MIDI tracks with a few RTs that I do have already. One was off style wise and I now have a jazz lounge piano with genre proper bass and drum. Interesting in the very least. I played that a few times with me doing a guitar accompanyment in a style that I never really tried before until it kind of all fit together. (An understated little jazzy light rake style)
Before that, I imported another difficult song for any software developer to have to write software to parse, categorize, time right and get the tempo and BPM all heading in the right direction. Brothers in Arms, by Dire Straits. I did use a couple midi tracks in that one after the analysis tool did it's thing along with sending it bacc to RB. I forgot the style I chose, but it caught the spirit decently enough. Not "cover worthy", but in the spirit of playing guitar to something like that, it succeeded. Not bad for 15-30 minutes of fiddling about.
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Rob, thanks for the tips. The PSR 2000 is old tech key board, yes? This goes back to not knowing the components to get. i was thinking driver to replace - or set aside - the m-soft GS wavetable. The coyote forte is a plug in that needs to be set for each song inside of a user window with no button that says "OK" or "Save". (pet pieve....I never, ever would have dared to release an actionable decision without clear-cut buttons to press. QA would have lynched me)
But I just rambled again. Are you saying that you used the sound card from your key board in place of the drivers that made up your PCs' MIDI (possibly m-soft GS....)? That's pretty much where I want to make the change, as long as it does not interfere with my ASIO (and ASIO4ALL drivers and my use of Reaper)
Like I said earlier, for me it's harder to learn which components you need as opposed to how to use them once you get them.
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And a side note, and I'll bring this up just once. Please forgive me for sounding really flaky. I'm on some intensive meds and my once logical mind is not behaving well. Things like nouns and remembering who told me what have a way of escaping me. My apologies in advance. Looks like a decent place here and I'd like to stick around. My wife keeps threatening to write so Roy to English conversion software. 
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No what the other Rob is saying is that he is sending the midi data to the Yamaha Keyboard and letting it play the audio back into the PC's Sound Card, and using it as the synth. This can be done with any real good or bad for that matter external synth. I prefer sampletank, as i purchased it on a group buy this year for $50 and got 7 sound libraries free. Some of it is good, some bad, some great. I have very nice Pianos, decent electric guitars, and good solid accoustic guitars and basses. One cool area is the vocal samples, the Ohhs and Ahhs are very good, but it takes work to make the midi handle them well.
Rum RB and BiaB on MME drivers and leave ASIO for reaper. I have tried Reaper, but found it far to complicated to setup, and way to much work. Plus it crashed to much on my system. I use RB most of the time, and another DAW Mac turned me on to a couple years back that never crashes and is simple to run and setup.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96
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Rum RB and BiaB on MME drivers and leave ASIO for reaper. I have tried Reaper, but found it far to complicated to setup, and way to much work. Plus it crashed to much on my system. I use RB most of the time, and another DAW Mac turned me on to a couple years back that never crashes and is simple to run and setup.
I agree on the drives part, But, I love Reaper for recording and mixing. It works with no errors on my system. With the drivers set right I have BIAB, RB and Reaper all running concurrently and can D&D between all. All three application do have there own advantages.
By the way one major point I love about Reaper versus BIAB/RB is the constant flow of revisions and updates. Repeaper provides these on a regular, free, basis whereas with BIAB/RB the revisions and updates are few and far between. The Reaper wish list gets addressed sometimes as fast as you ask versus the semi annual adjustments to BIAB/RB.
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
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Oh, I get it. Interesting. I didn't know it could do that. That's how new I am to the MIDI world.
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Hi Rob,
sorry to go off topic. You keep mentioning Sample Tank. Do you use it in BIAB or RealBand?
Could it be used in BIAB instead of Coyote Forte, or TTS1 or my soundfont player for instance?
Would the only reason for not being able to use Sampletank in BIAB be because it doesn't have a GM Bank?? or for other reasons.
It's the player and the way it handles program & bank changes that interests me moreso than the sounds. Missing gm sounds could maybe be converted from another format.
Last edited by rikkisbears; 10/03/10 02:43 PM.
best wishes
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Alrighty, I got the USB drive in yesterday. Copied files over manually as I had it already set-up. then I read in the manual that it's best to run the ultrapluspak setup executable. I did that and ended up with a fairly decent amount of styles with varying degrees of # of RTs and MIDI mixes and sample songs.
The Real Tracks is sounding awesome. I've even played around and replaced a midi (muted, actually) and selected & generated RT replacement with varying degrees of success. I'm still not in too much of a rush to get to the bottom of which MIDI device I want. No rush, I don't think.
So, anyone lurking about, make sure you get the package you want. my biggest mistake so far was the under-purchase. I really think that the tiers are confusing to a newbie (new to the Biab suite) and had someone else see if they could decipher what the MegaPak really was. He got about as far as I did.
I've played with the Audio Analyzer some too. I think that's one of those apps where you just gotta get a feel for what you're doing. I've had some good and some not so good. Pretty neat to generate real tracks after sending the song back to RB.
Jazzmammal, you mentioned something called Real Book 1. what is that?
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Jazzmammal, you mentioned something called Real Book 1. what is that?
If I may field this one, ... very simply you are going to love this  :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Book
A collection of hundreads of jazz standards - all avaible in BIAB format - comprizing the majority of the American Songbook. I'll get you a link to some of the many available shortly.
Here you go: http://www.members.shaw.ca/glitch/real.html
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
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Sweet! I've found a few other links in the mean time to some others. gotta like it. Thanks for the tips/links.
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You can use sampletank, but it is difficult in BiaB, it does have a GM set called omnisynth, but not as stable as TTS.
I use it in RB, where GM does not matter as much.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96
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