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I really want this guitar. I mean I really, really want it. It's a Parker DF524 guitar  The problem is of course the money. So please, if everyone would just buy one of my Band-in-a-Box disks, I could make enough money to buy this puppy and I'll be soooooo happy. ;-) Notes ♫
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Bob, Shameless promotion!   Good luck on the guitar, but have you ever owned a guitar without fret markers? It can be pretty annoying, especially at first ......... and even more annoying later after you realize you knew this going in. Dots on the side of the neck aren't the same as fret markers on the fretboard. It's just one more thing to have to pay attention to besides the music. If they're ordered from the factory, I'd get one with fret markers. Pretty cool guitar though.
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I smell the $1500 buck lifetime special. Get ALL my tracks now, everything I've got, and you are guaranfrickinteeed to get everything I do in the future too, except I'm gonna be playin' my axe so doan axe me questions about new tracks OK? or as they terminate sentences in Michigan UHUH?
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I never look at the fret markers on the fingerboard, but simply the dots on the neck. I guess it's the way I hold the guitar (I gig standing up).
I have increased the size of the fret dots with some reflective tape and a loose-leaf hole puncher though so I can see them on dark or front-lighted stages.
My partner has a Parker PM10 Hornet, and I really like her guitar. The neck is fantastic, touch-and-go.
On stage I play sax, wind synth, guitar, flute, vocals, and percussion controller, so I'm constantly picking up and putting down instruments. The Dragonfly is basically a Parker Fly with a few improvements and a better looking shape. 5 pounds sounds great to me.
The Casino is about 6 and it's OK (So is my Gibson ES330), but I'm playing too many outdoor gigs right now to depend on a hollow body (salt air and electronics don't mix) so I'm using my ESP/LTD/LP clone a lot, and at close to 8 pounds, I get tired of picking it up an setting it back down all night (oh, poor me).
So judging on the reputation of the Fly, my partner's Hornet, and my tired right arm, I think this could be the perfect gigging guitar for me.
And it's made in the USA.
I really, really want this guitar ;-)
Notes ♫
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Edited to read wife's jewel box for those who had problems because I mentioned a gun.
Edited to not refer to pick up trucks which got some peed off, I can't include convertibles or people in California are going to take offense, Renaults are out due to the French sensitivities, and Fiat can't be used or the Rissotto family of Montreal will be hunting me, so to speak, 'scuze. Removed the AK 47 tried replacing it with a gun from the USA but then I got flack so I just took it out.
Changed Bluegrass to Klezmer and then they called me saying that was unfair, so I had to delete that too, so there is no marketing plan based on a fakebook. There was strenuous exception to the Christmas Fakebook, the Holiday Fakebook, and the Jazz Fakebook (too snobby).
The people for the ethical treatment of chipmunks are suing me for suggesting they be shot at with bb's. Notes cannot give away bb's to people who purchase bluegrass fakebooks it's un-ethical.
I'm thinking of doing like Gdaddy. I'm going to post stuff other people wrote, so no one can say I wrote it.
All that said I hope Notes gets his guitar, but I'm sure he'd like a Godin Montreal better. It comes with Montreal Smoked Meat, a Canadian, and a side of poutine. (Edit take out smoked meat, lose the rye) (Edit take out Peanut Butter, someone's allergic), Jam Sandwich Milk and Oreos. (Delete the Oreos for pete's SAKE!) homemade oatmeal cookies.
No beer. The religious people are 'agin it.
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We don' need no steenking fret dots.
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Mac, Quote:
We don' need no steenking fret dots.
I guess my response for that would be that while standing up, the fret dots are "offset" from the actual frets by 2 or 3 frets considering the neck is to your left. The fretboard markers are still visible and are where they should be even while still standing up. Just another thing to think about instead of the music. I guess it only matters when you're playing up the neck a lot, which I do, and I'm sure you do too.
It's kind of a "Where's Waldo?" for the guitar. I'd rather find the note instead of finding "Waldo".
Just a pet peeve of mine.
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Well, Bob, if you get that Gospel Fakebook ready, youknow some of us are waiting for it so we can send you some $$ That is a beeyootiful axe. Stan
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Just buy it Notes, I'm sure that a few of us on here know that you are loaded with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. 
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We don' need no steenking fret dots.
I guess my response for that would be that while standing up, the fret dots are "offset" from the actual frets by 2 or 3 frets considering the neck is to your left. The fretboard markers are still visible and are where they should be even while still standing up. Just another thing to think about instead of the music. I guess it only matters when you're playing up the neck a lot, which I do, and I'm sure you do too.
It's kind of a "Where's Waldo?" for the guitar. I'd rather find the note instead of finding "Waldo".
Just a pet peeve of mine.
No, just a pet peeve of *mine* my friend.
I was started with the Classical Guitar and an old school teacher, no fret markers on the fingerboard nor on the edge. No tab, everything was from the written music. We were expected to be able to glance at a passage and instinctively pick the right position to play that passage. We also learned chords from the notation page, starting with the open chords and moving up the neck. Does not take that long before one is able to view a note stack and instantly recognize it as the Grand Barre or some other chord. There is also a way to tell if you might do better applying the Capo in order to play a certain piece or passage as well. Route memorization of the basics was taught a the same time, such that the student not only learns the instrument but the theory, and is thus able to view the note stack within the key signature and instantly recognize the numbers from the Major Scale that make up the chord. Thus a "1,5,1,3,5,1" stack is the Grand Barre, etc.
One really can navigate the neck without them, but that also takes a methodology concerning the Positions, along with that daily practice regimen in order to program the brain and hands, etc.
At this point, the argument is much like the one about the LEDs defining scales and modes.
If you need the fret markers, no harm nor foul there.
On the other hand, if you DON'T need them, there should be no harm or foul there either.
If you were confronted with one and only one guitar that did not have the markers - and did not succumb to adding your own markers - you might be surprised how short a time it would take a skilled player like yourself to adapt.
Blind players don't seem to need the markers...
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BTW - I'm fairly certain that the guitar Notes pictures would have fret markers up on the top edge of the neck, where only the player can easily view them. That practice is pretty much de rigeur with guitar makers these days.
I remember a little kit, available to luthiers and repairmen in days past, that consisted of a set of round-head brass brads, meant to be hammered into the top edge of a fingerboard when someone who purchased a gut string guitar without fret markers demanded them. My particular beginning guitar teacher refused to use them or allow them, though. And I'm thankful for that today.
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Mac, Excellent points throughout what you said, especially this one. Quote:
Blind players don't seem to need the markers...
If I had to get used to playing without them, I could. I've played guitars before that didn't have them and managed to get around the neck. It's all in what you get used to.
It's just that a guitar without fret markers wouldn't be my first choice. But hey, this is Notes dream guitar and it does look like a fine axe. Go for it Notes!
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Well, Bob, if you get that Gospel Fakebook ready, youknow some of us are waiting for it so we can send you some $$ That is a beeyootiful axe.
Stan
Hi Stan -- we're working on it!!!
I have 29 other fake books, surely you can find at least one other to help little Bobby get his guitar 
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BTW - I'm fairly certain that the guitar Notes pictures would have fret markers up on the top edge of the neck, where only the player can easily view them. That practice is pretty much de rigeur with guitar makers these days. <...> Mac
If it doesn't, I'll put them on.
The fret dots on my LTD were too small and dim to see in either a dark club or one of those stages where the lights were pointed at you from a point slightly over your head, therefore putting the top of the neck in a shadow. My solution was to get some automotive reflecting tape and cut out some half moon shapes with a hole puncher.
They last at least 4 months, then one starts to peel off and I replace it when changing strings. Most have been on over a year now.
I'm probably going to have to put the Parker on credit (unless everybody buys a disk <big grin>). I just had to have my water well re-drilled, and some other plumbing work done. I would have rather spent the money on the guitar, but we need water for drinking, bathing, etc. a lot more than I needed a new guitar
Unlike Mac, I do need the fret dots on top of the neck, but I don't need them on the fingerboard.
I started playing in rock bands on saxophone, and did that exclusively for many years. I was glad the guitarists had fret markers on the fingerboard, because I learned to recognize chord shapes and positions, and if I knew what chord the guitarist was playing, I could transpose it up a whole step and know what to play on the tenor sax. To me that is the best thing about fingerboard markers.
But since I make my own backing tracks, I already know what the chords are so when Leilani plays her Parker PM10, I don't need to see where she is playing the chord.
(not her guitar, but it looks like this one)
I'm really impressed with her guitar. The neck joint is so well made that in order to see the joint where the neck meets the body, you have to take it out in the sunlight and look very closely. The neck is extremely fast, it's well balanced, fit and finish everywhere is superb (even inside the cavities), and sounds good with coil tapping pups (either SC or Humbucker).
So I'm hoping the same care is going into the new Parkers. Unfortunately, I cant get one around here, so there is no place to try it out, so I have to go on their reputation and reviews.
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Pat Martino used a Parker as his jazz&bop machine for a few years.
But that cat started out makin' a Les Paul sound like a big archtop jazzbox. It's in his fingers.
Notes -- I like yer dream guit there, but I'd probably go with HSH pup configuration rather than HSS here. Just a personal preference that has indeed changed over the years. When I want, "strat" then I pick up the strat.
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Thanks for your input. I generally prefer SC pickups. The middle SC is RP/RW so I should be able to get a humbucker sound in the 2 position. That gives me the option. It seems more versatile that way. I bring a sax, two wind synths, a flute, a keyboard controller an entire PA set, Leilani's guitar, and her synth to the gig. I only want to bring one guitar for myself, so it has to be as versatile as I can get it. The factory gave me a very quick reply, and it has a 14" radius neck, something that Fender cannot do, and something that I prefer.
My modded LTD has one pup wired that way. I tend to use the SC positions much more than the Humbucker mode.
I think this guitar will exceed my current guitar chops for years to come, so I should be happy with it.
I think I'm going to pull the trigger this weekend. (everybody -- buy more disks <grin>)
I've almost convinced myself to put it on a credit card. MF is offering 12 months - no interest.
Notes ♫
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Hi Notes, quote: "The Dragonfly is basically a Parker Fly with a few improvements and a better looking shape." endquote. Are you serious??? Improvements???? Better looking shape??? You can't be serious!!! How can you improve on perfection??? Huh??? Huh??? Huh??? Get yourself a classic and be done with it!!! (i joke, i joke) Truth is, lots of folks are really diggin' some of the newer Parkers. Trying to find some good demo videos can be an exercise in flustration tho. Seems everybody loves distortion anymore. In this video, at least you can get a little bit of the range of tones offered up. Don't forget, you can also blend the piezo and mag pickups for some really cool jazz tones as well. I have the classic and love it to pieces, but if I were buying a new Parker I think I'd have to look really hard at one of these. Good luck on your purchase. I don't think you'll be sorry. Later, Jim https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F15jlfCy3wQ
I'd be completely happy if I had just one more guitar.
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Notes, buy the darn thing. Life is too short.
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I think I'm going to pull the trigger on Friday. I'm not too keen on getting one via Internet order, and my local music store will know if he can get one by Thursday (I'd rather support a local music store). If not, I'll get it via Internet order. And yes - Life is short
- Since I play professionally, it's a tool
- Since I play professionally, it's a tax deduction
On the other hand, as a pro musician, I don't make as much money as I would have if I had stayed with the Electronics Engineering career I am partially trained for (forgot most of it by now). So I have to budget my money wisely. To defray the costs, I thought about selling my MIK Epiphone Casino since it basically mimics what my prized Kalamazoo Gibson ES-330 does, but I love both guitars. Then I thought about selling my modded ESP/LTD/FauxLP guitar, but it's only a $250.00 guitar brand new. I've put some good mods into it, GFS Mean 90 pups, and a Varitone, but I can't see me getting that money out of it, after all it's a rare bird now. Plus it does have a small ding on it. So I'll keep that as well.  I never wanted to be a guitar collector. I'm a musician, and they are tools. In all my years of being a sax player, I've owned one good tenor, one back-up tenor (just in case) and one good alto. Now I own 3 electric guitars, one acoustic, and I'm planning on getting a fourth guitar. Even though my predominant instrument is saxophone, I now own more guitars than saxophones. GAS is worse for guitarists than it is for saxophonists I guess I just need to get used to that idea. What's next? Put a mortgage on my house to get one of those gorgeous Gibson Johnny A models?  I'd really love this one, but there is no way I can justify the expense - even if 1,000 people bought a BiaB style from me to help me finance it I can see endless GAS, but I guess that comes with the territory. If and when I get the Parker, I'll take some pictures and post a review. Notes ♫
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Good luck with the guitar Notes. I know somebody who plays and has to buy expensive guitars. Its an interesting subject this.
Just wondering if its possible to get as good a guitar for $200 instead of paying say upwards of $2000 for one and then doing a blind test (playing from beind a curtain) for a layperson or even an intermediate guitarist, would they be able to tell the difference?
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Right on, Notes. Enjoy your new guitar!
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- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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