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Looking quickly through the many REAL updates and new features, I again fail to see any enhancements to Fake Book, or general printing of notation.
It has been years since any significant changes were made, and bugs still exist from back in the old days when BIAB just had a number, not a year designation. Peter Gannon, at this time last year, even said they were going to review it. Seems that they must think it is OK. Well for another year, my money is staying in my pocket. I don't need all of the fancy REAL stuff. I am happy with the midi I have had for years. I just need a better way to present it.
There was even a link on this site "suggesting" that we could now export to FINALE, but on closer inspection, it doesn't support the chord symbols. All very nice, but it doesn't help.
Come un PG Music. Notation and Fake Book are part of the software, and you have ignored them far too long
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Anyone sitting and hoping for anything midi is pretty much flogging a dead horse. Keyboard manufacturers leave some basic midi in their keyboards but they wouldn't sell one at the price if that's all that was there.
I don't think it will survive another 5 years.
I do remember basic DOS, like TRS-Dos and a few others, and the start of midi. It's being left in the dust. The only reason Ketron makes a module is that it's the same stuff they put in their keyboard, without the keyboard part.
I can't for the life of me see a future in any part of midi.
I still have a midi organ, 2 keyboards, 2 modules and 4 software midi things, but all are relics of the past.
As technology improves the need for midi fades, and I don't see groups like Roland and yamaha saying to each other, let's come up with another midi standard...
My 2c or 2p or...2 cennes noires
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Dave, I feel and share your pain. Seems some of these older issues just remain as, well "old issues". I still have a major problem with track horizontal zooming in RB but dispite our wish lists these remain unchanged.  But like someone else said here in the forum, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. IMO, this is still the best show in town and well worth the investment.  Seems we need to have a "town hall meeting" with Peter,  face-to-face, to address some of these priorities. 
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I have no problem with all the REAL stuff - it's just that I don't need it. At least for now. What I do need is a reasonable Fake Book print function. The MusicXML might work - at least I could probably export the song to a dedicated print software program. Until then we just have BIAB.
Last year I wrote on this forum: "I anxiously await any updates to the notation portion of the software. Again, I guess Santa just gave me a lump of coal... 100 new features and not one of them has anything to do with notation" Dec 27, 2009
Peter Gannon did reply: "Its a good point, we should revisit notation in future versions." Dec 29, 2009.
I guess that this year isn't the right time. So how long do we have to wait?
BIAB is a great piece of software, and I do like it for what it does. It's just that the Print function - all of it - is stll a very poor second cousin to the remainder of the program.
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Good luck Dave but printing fake book charts simply is not what people think of when they think Biab. It's an auto accompaniment program. There's lots of full time pros on this forum that don't have a problem with that. They need full featured notation, they buy Sibilius or Finale or do it like I do, print out a basic chart and use some white out and a pen to correct it and make copies. You can also get a free PDF print driver to do automatic PDF's you can email to somebody.
Now, I disagree strongly with John and completely agree with you about the need for midi. Midi is vital because RT's still don't allow you to write or create exact note for note parts. Only midi does that at least right now. He may be right in the future that new tech may create a way to take a prerecorded RT and pull individual notes out of it using some Melodyne type thing but if Celemony has a lock on that tech and PG doesn't want to pay for it, then midi it is. Or, maybe there's some whole new thing we've never heard of that will trump all of it and we just think into our aluminum foil helmets and the aliens create our stuff for us in exchange for candied yams and marshmellows.
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I'm spoiled. Most bands I played in had no charts. Then I played a lot in a band for years that had charts that were a suggestion, no one played what was they, it would be cruel to call it an approximation, I spent a lot of time sort of fixing them so they were close.
For 5 years now I've played in a "British Style" Brass Band. But we play Sousa and Opera stuff, and you name it. Often we get our parts, and they are 'proper' parts, but an Italian March has like 12 repeats so we do none of them, or some of them. We get photocopied parts, which are often too small, because the original was printed to save paper a hundred years ago, and my Bombardini part needs to be 'blown up'. Then you put in the new repeats, change this dynamic, drop these notes, add breath marks here and there, the thing can have 12 or 15 pencil corrections, notations, etc.
Once in a while we get the whole thing on bass clef. Makes it slow learning for old John.
So when I get lead sheets out of Band in a Box, they are pretty good. The wife and I printed 20 of them for Christmas music to be played last night, but we've got about 100 cm (3 feet) of new snow and it's still falling so they canceled that party....
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I'm for any basic *improvements* that the developers can give us, Notation improvements as well.
I'd rather have a feature available to use even if I don't use it.
Because someday I might need to use it.
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If anyone thinks MIDI is dead, check out these cats... They resurrected Art Tatum, and have him playing live on SynKlaviers via their HD MIDI standard... AWESOME stuff..
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My favorite kinda cat. Invisible. Or is it the missing link?
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We aren't like you pro guys. We have to have our charts. I actually like the printed notation from BIAB better than Sibelius, but I'm still not proficient enough with biab notation to enter new notation there very often and then I use the qwerty keyboard. I do import midi files into Sibelius and make changes there where I can see the whole score. However, like the man said, biab is not designed as a notation program and our main use for it is for backups. Working with midi, Real Band has been a great help. Between BIAB, Real Band, WavePad, and Sibelius, we are getting the job done even though it's a struggle once in awhile. FWIW
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Quote:
If anyone thinks MIDI is dead, check out these cats... They resurrected Art Tatum, and have him playing live on SynKlaviers via their HD MIDI standard... AWESOME stuff..
That kind of awesome is hard to obtain. Really hard.
If only there were a way obtain it.
Perhaps some way to link your post to this awesomeness...
/I liked yours too, John!
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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I also use BIAB as an accompaniment tool, and it works great. Unfortunately I am not as proficient as many of the musicians on this forum and need the charts and lyrics to play from.
BIAB provides everything I want, except that it doesn't work properly. Try a song with 3 differnt sets words in the endings (using the "repeat" function) for instance. You will find that the last ending appears under the first ending as well as the third. Sometimes the words 'DS al Coda' don't appear. The Coda sign is there, the jump and the actual coda are there, but the DS is just missing.
Now all of this could be fixed, I am sure, and it might be a lot of work. But to have a function that doesn't work properly all the time, and hasn't since day one, is disappointing to say the least.
One solution that seems to have worked with other parts of the software is to partner with specialist software. Why not work with more closely with Finale Printmusic in such a way that we can send all of the fake book elements (notes, chords, lyrics, repeats and endings, etc)to Printmusic and get a professional looking fake sheet. The BIAB webpage 'News and More' says that you can "Bundle Your Band-in-a-Box ...3rd Party Software..." including Printmusic 2011, but only, it seems if you are prepared to essentally rewrite everything except the notes.
Now if you are happy with working without a chart, my hat is off to you. For the mere mortals among us who still rely on printed music, at least give us an option to purchase an add on that will FULLY interface with BIAB. I will gladly spend the $99 for Printmusic if it has a seamless interface with BIAB.
BIAB is my software of choice for musical backup. Just give me a way to properly show off what it can do.
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