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Interested in what you went with if you don't mind sharing. If still looking, I can give a few lists that range from barebones but excellent to really-people pay this kind of money? with good reasons for my recommendations. My VO setups have changed over the decades but the current one is priced on the low side of midrange and I am very happy with it.

I've attached two screenshots showing the problem. As I was replying I realized that I could enlarge the window of the DAW plugin and that resolved the problem with the Ci chords and they now show correctly as C7. It also resolved the problem with the Fmaj7 chords being displayed as F MAJi. Take a look at the screenshot because I think a lot of people might not realize that it is a window sizing issue. Notice, for instance, that the Db7#11 chord in bar 23 appears as Db7#1i, which is super confusing. The F/\7 was just my attempt to get the forum software to show it the same as the standalone BiaB version. It now shows as Fmaj7 in the plugin version after I made the window larger. Fwiw, I never enter chords in the DAW. I use standalone BiaB every day when I'm practicing. Then I eventually switch over to Luna, and load the same song into the DAW plugin. At that point, it is usually very jarring to see everything in both a different font and notation. My main genre is jazz so I'm using the chords for the purposes of improvising. [ Of course, I aspire to be a real musician and simply "hear the chords". But that is probably 30-40 years away still, so for now I'm left having to read the chords.]

Dear Beth, Thank you so much for your beautiful words. Your kindness and the way you felt the song means the world to me—it’s exactly why I create. I’m grateful you let the music reach you. With heartfelt thanks, Izzy

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TL;DR: There's no "one stop shop" for making this happen. It can be done with the help of AI, but it's not simple and will require a lot of work on your part to do it right. First of all, translation of a song into another language requires an understanding of the meaning of the words, but of the melody as well. Consider: This is a song (4) boom boom (2) I sing it wrong (4) zoom zoom (2) But sing along! (4) Using Google Translate to translate it to Spanish, I get: Esta es una canción (7) bum bum (2) no la cantes mal (5) zoom zoom (2) ¡pero canta (4)! I've placed the syllable count after each line to show that the translated version has a different number of syllables than the original. That means the melody needs to be altered to fit the new syllable count. You'll also note this "raw" translation doesn't keep the same rhyme scheme, as canción, mal and canta don't rhyme. Google Gemini is "smart" enough to keep the rhyme scheme: Esta es una canción (7) bum, bum (2) La canto sin ton (5) zum, zum (2) ¡Sigue mi son! (4) It can be guided to try to match the syllable count: Esta canción (4) bum bum (2) Canto sin ton (4) zum zum (2) ¡Si-gue mi son! (4) Although obviously the translation isn't literal, as "I sing it wrong" doesn't necessarily mean "I sing off-key": This song boom boom I sing off-key zoom zoom Follow my rhythm! This is why translation is the hardest bit - you'll need to have something that captures the meaning of the lyric, even if it's not a literal translation. After telling Gemini I wanted the lyric to mean "incorrectly" instead of "off-key", Gemini offers this translation after a lot of thought: Es un cantar bum bum Lo canto mal zum zum ¡Ven a cantar! Gemini offered the following notes: But you can see that it's rhymed "cantar" with "cantar". All of which is to say that translating while keeping the rhyme scheme and syllable count isn't trivial, but will require interaction to verify the correctness of the result. It's an iterative process, and is likely to exhaust what you can do free with an AI pretty quickly. You'll likely have to as AI to find phrases that have similar meaning in the target language, and try using them instead of the original lyric. Once you have a translation, you then need to get it sung in the new language. Perhaps the simplest way to do this is to create a "cover" in Suno. This requires that Suno doesn't see this as a copyright song. Of course, you're doing this with a song you've got full rights to. Once you do that, you type new lyrics into Suno, and it will create "cover" the song with the new lyrics. However, it's going to us a different voice instead of the original when creating the "cover". You'll need to describe the voice of the singer to Suno so that the voice it uses will be similar in character to the original singer. So you'll end up with song singing the new lyrics that you've translated into your target language. You'll then need to extract the vocal stems of the song from Suno, and convert the vocal into the original singer's voice (but in the new language). Now would be a good time to mention that harmony vocals will need to be done in a separate pass! There are tools like RVC, but Controlla Voice seems to be the best option at the moment. You'll need to upload audio to train it with your singer's voice. The training material should match the style of the target song. For example, if you train using soft vocals and try to apply it to a hard rock song, it's not going to work. Once that's done, you can upload the vocal stem from Suno into Controlla Voice (or some similar tool) and it will apply your original singer's voice to it. It will be in the new language, in the style and performance of the Suno voice, but with your singer's timbre applied. If you've done all this work, you'll also want a native speaker to listen to the song (especially the Suno version) to make sure it sounds right. Different language have different rhythmic rules, and what sounds good in one language may sound terrible in another. Suno is pretty good at automatically making these adjustments, though. To summarize, it's a multi-step process, using different tools, and a lot of work is required for it to turn out well: 1. You'll need to translate the song into the new language. If you aren't fluent in that language, you could use an AI program like Google Gemini to perform the translation, using Google Translate to make sure the translation close to the intended meaning. This would be an interactive process. 2. You'll then need to covert the vocal into the new language. You can do this with a tool like Suno, where you load the song, and then create a "cover", giving it the new lyrics. You'll then need to extract the vocal stems to get the isolated vocal. 3. You'll then need to convert the Suno vocal back to your singer's voice, in the target language. You can use a tool like Controlla Voice or some other RVC tool that's been trained with samples of your singer's own voice. It will apply your singer's voice while keeping the native accent of the Suno vocal. Of course, this isn't how the pros do it. For the Spanish version of "Rocking Around the Christmas Tree" done in Brenda Lee's voice, the producers hired a native Spanish singer, and then used an RVC-like tool trained using Brenda Lee's voice to covert the vocals. That's the best way, as the singer could serve as another set of eyes to make sure the translation made sense. But you'd have to make sure they'd know they're vocals would be substituted with someone else's voice!

Hello Andrew, Just wanted to place this here as a reminder for the re-implementation of the "Edit Phrases and Loops" button functionality as noted in that thread. Thanks. Regards, Shawn

You can do the modifications on the style, then go into File - Style Maker - Edit The Current Style - Save As and then it becomes a User Style. You can then change the style in your songs to the new one and be done with it. I have done it about 5 times in the past in order to add different RT's to the style. I do a Save As so I don't over write the factory supplied style. Most of the bluegrass songs I have point to one I made up to add a reso guitar to the existing mix.

Joseph, my bad I spoke too soon. On closer examination of the DixieHoedown-3 file that you sent, in both my 2022 and 2026 the drums yellow track is present where the mando used to be and the Bass, Banjo, Guitar and Fiddle tracks are in their proper place, but there is nothing in the Utility#1 or any other track that has an mando audio. They're all empty, and there is no mando sound at all. Screenshot is attached. So, sorry about my previous erroneous post.

Yes, that worked perfectly, and much appreciated. I have a fair amount of songs that I routinely use for practice that I'm going to get to work on modifying. What I was wondering is if that configuration of the instruments in the style (_BG_BDBS.STY) that is now in that DixieHoedown-3 song can be saved as a separate and new .STY style file with a completely different name than _BG_BDBS.STY that can then be loaded into another song other than DixieHoedown. That would enable the modification of other songs to be easier as a matter of loading the new .STY style into the particular song and then saving the song. Perhaps it would end up being about the same effort, or perhaps it's not doable I don't know. Anyhow it was just a thought, but I have no knowledge of how to assemble and save a .STY file. Thanks again.

There might be a way to modify the style and saving the style as a new style. I will look into it tomorrow as I don't have the time today. Will let you know. Perhaps some other users are missing around also with the problem and can come up with a setting that would fix the problem for good.

That is what I did. I moved it to Utility#1 track and then deleted the original Mandolin (Drum) track. I had to delete the track 2 times to get get of what was there. You will have to move it using the instructions I just posted. Read both of the posts. Here is a link for your song file after performing the actions I outlined. See if this is what you are looking for. https://drive.google.com/file/d/17E1rAPF9L2p-9Tzi_OaUIFmToAnsD5Sj/view?usp=sharing

Is there a way to move the mando track down and expose the drum track and then save that as a new style? I've experimented with that but I haven't had any success due to my limited knowledge in that realm.

Thank you and Happy New Year to you and yours! J&B

Thank you! Your sentiment about us two is touching and appreciated. Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to you Carl! Just listening to your track as I look out the window onto a new year’s morning and being grateful. Your piece provides a calm and satisfied feeling to accompany my reflections. All the best. Andrew

BluegrassPicker Well it BIAB now did something entirely different. Followed the same steps as a recheck and the 2nd time around it created an Artist Track on both the Drum Track and the Utility Track, which of course is no good. So I then went in and deleted the Artist track on the Drum Track and it reverted back to the Mandolin Realtack. The Utility track stayed the same. I then deleted the Mandolin Realtrack on the drum track and it turned grey and the Utility track stayed the same. Man BIAB really screwed this one up back in 2024 and going forward. Anyways, I saved the file after doing a double deletion on the Drum Track after moving it to the Utilty #1 track and it seems to be working....for now. I would think an easier way is to just pick a Bluegrass style and DOES NOT and a RealTrack in the drum slot.

Thank you Mario...I was half asleep at the wheel. When I clicked F5 I was only getting a minimized popup window. Then Catherine from PG woke me up and I maximized the window in order to see it better and guess what?...all the "missing" option were buried in there. Thank you for jumping in.

You are the hero of the day year! I just now followed your instructions and it worked perfectly! It's a workaround and not a true fix and I'll need to modify quite a few songs, but it will get me by until PG comes up with an official fix. At least we have progress, and your help is absolutely sincerely appreciated. Thanks again and have a safe, healthy and great Bluegrass pickin' 2026. BluegrassPicker

I don't know why they did this either. But keep in my that in BIAB 2022 and 2023, it worked even though another instrument was on the drum track. It stopped working once BIAB 2024 came out some something in the update killed the ability to hear a count in. It just took this long for some to comment on it. Since my main genre is Bluegrass, I actually knew this back when 2024 came out but it just did not bother me that much since I don't uses those related particular styles.

I just sent the detailed instructions with screen shots and that method works. I was actually working the reply as your posted your comments.

Bluegrass Picker: Here is the workaround. You will have to move the RealTrack populating the Drum Track using the Track Actions pull-down and then the Copy/Move Tracks. Unfreeze your song first and since it will have to re-generate, it will take a little time since your song is set to 30 choruses. Make sure you MOVE and not COPY the track. Once it is moved, you should be able to hear the count in just fine. By default it looks like it will automatically choose Utility#1 as the destination. If successful, you should see the drum track turn to grey and the utility#1 track turn to orange (?) Make sure you save the song if it work OK for you. This frees up the drum track since the RT is no longer there so the MIDI drum count in will come through. I saved the song and the re-opened and the changes were kept. See screen shots 1,2, and 3 1 and 2 are the methods and 3 is the result. It seems to work just fine for me on the song you provided Let me know if this works successfully.

I don't do this kind of work in BiaB so these may or may not work. What happens if you move the drum track with an instrument to another track, say a utility track, then add a MIDI or RT drum track? Or can you add a drum track on an utility track? It is weird that PGM would put an instrument on the drum track as usually drum tracks are only for drums. At least that is true on all of my other music software.

On the measure where you want to mute an instrument(s) press F5 - See pic 1-F5 On the measure where you want to unmute an instrument(s) press F5 - See pic 2F5

This is the reality for many guitarist:

Apparently I've been doing it wrong all these years. I'd invite a girl to the show instead of hoping to find one in the crowd .. <sigh> By the time we finished playing I just wanted to go home and get some sleep.