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Okay I don't know how to best ask this question.
If you take BIAB and set it on the left end table, and RB and set it on the right end table, do you need a middle table for elements that are common to both?
This is leading up to the question of whether it is possible to sell JUST the BIAB side of it or JUST the RB side of it. If there are common elements that both sides of the program draw from, someone please confirm that. If not, I don't know why there is not a reduced price BIAB and a reduced price RB available. Those with no experience with DAW software or prefer to just do what BIAB does could buy just that. Those who prefer the 48 track experience could buy just RB.
Is that "programically" possible?
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If you take BIAB and put it on the left end table, and Power Tracks Pro Audio on the right end table, RealBand goes in the middle.
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Can you hip me to what Power Tracks Pro Audio is it? Is it an older generation RB? Or is it still an item on the hard drive?
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You would be a winner if you picked RB, it's got it all! What I wonder is will there be a day when RB will be the only one left standing.
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rharv had it right when he said that RB is Power Tracks on steroids!
Power Tracks is just a DAW like Logic or Cubase. If I remember it rightly, there was a time when there was just BiaB and PTPA. With the introduction of Real Tracks, Real Band was introduced as PTPA with RealTracks capability. At that time RB was available as a stand-alone product. Exactly when or why it became bundled with BiaB I'm not sure.
I'm sure Bob will know - it's probably his fault.
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My point is that I use RB exclusively. I don't need BIAB unless RB uses some of the same components as BIAB. If it is a totally stand alone product, I would just buy RB. If the ladder of performance is BIAB, RB, the PTPA, maybe I should check out PTPA (which I still know nothing about. Is that something older that is no longer around?). I mean last year I won a copy of 2012. This year I won't (if there is even an unannounced contest, which by the way was an amazing gesture on the part of PG.) and I can't find $300 to buy 2013. I probably COULD find a lesser amount to buy just RB (or PTPA - if I knew what that was).
I have Sonar, so I am familiar with DAW software, but obviously it doesn't compose, and that's why I love RB. It plays SO MUCH BETTER than I can anymore!
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Real Band can be purchased by itself and as with Biab all the RT's and RD's are sold separately. Real Band is Power Tracks with the Biab functions added. The separate Power Tracks handles Real Drums only, no RT's. Other than that I think both programs are the same. I guess that since PT has been a well known name for 12-15 years PG decided to keep it as a separate audio/midi recording program for people who don't care for the Biab functions.
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Eddie,
I suspect that RB has BIAB as its core program. If it didn’t, it wouldn’t be able to open BIAB files and styles so seamlessly. If I’m right and RB was offered as a “stand alone” app, then you would actually be getting BIAB included in a less user friendly format, but you would need to pay for both.
Since BIAB is the “flagship” product, offering RB as an included product gets more exposure for RB and helps promote the package as a stand alone solution for accompaniment and recording.
But I’m just speculating.
Edit: I didn't see jazzmammal's post until until after I posted mine, so it could be "what he said". LOL.
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Eddie two things: 1-RB is free with BiaB anyway so why worry about it? 2-Be carefull ‘cause “the one in the rear got drafted”  If you are old enough you will know what I mean!
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I suspect that RB has BIAB as its core program.
I think you're wrong on this one.
I think RB is Powertracks with BiaB features incorporated.
Eddie,
PTPA is here -
http://www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.htm
It's a lot like RB, but has no Realtracks features. It does however handle most RealdDrums. Go figger.
If you open PTPA you will think it is Realband at first, until you dig in to it.
48 tracks of Audio/MIDI, all the edit features ..
I think this pretty much solidifies the point that RB is PTPA based with BiaB features added. PTPA can do drums, but the rest of the required engine for Realtracks (requiring tempo/pitch shift as well as chord use for Realtracks etc) is left out.
Matt straightened out your example pretty well.
PTPA was around LONG before RB, and RB basically looks just like it. As a matter of fact, Jeff Yankauer's name is still on both products. That alone says a lot.
/edit fixed my spelling of Jeff's name
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What rharv said.
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I would say that the coding practices of PG are rather a mystery, but rharv is likely the closest to the truth. Recall that BIAB was never intended to be a multi-track sequencer.
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Real Band can be purchased by itself and as with Biab all the RT's and RD's are sold separately.
I know this used to be the case, but I can't find any pricing for this anywhere on the site at the moment. If I've just missed it, can you point me in the right direction.
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Band in a Box can do many things that RealBand cannot do.
On the other hand, RealBand can do many things that Band in a Box cannot do.
The best of both worlds comes in learning to use both programs in order to better achieve what it is that you are trying to accomplish IMHO.
For example, I prefer to do initial song composition, layout, etc. inside BiaB, but if the target end result is a full-featured multitrack recording, at some point the project gets exported from BB and imported into RB where you can multitrack, use multiple MIDI synths with ease, apply plugins to separate tracks, adjust things in the separate tracks (Editing, Changing Gain, Compression, EQ, etc. ) and mixdown.
I don't think it is an "either/or" situation.
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