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C#maj7 (add 13) notation? #112400 04/22/11 03:17 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA Bob_B OP Journeyman
OP Bob_B Journeyman Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA	I guess I will always be challenged by chord notation in BIAB, so please bear with me. I am trying to notate C#maj7 (add 13) in a song in the key C. I thought I could type "C#maj7/13" and get what I wanted, but BIAB converted it to Ebmaj7. First, am I correct in how to enter the add 13 chord? Second, is there a global switch in opts to turn off BIAB's conversion of chords? I have looked and haven't found an answer to the second question. Thank you. Bob aka jazzwombat Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/BobBelas

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? Bob_B #112401 04/22/11 03:45 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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raymb1 Veteran Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,610 Sterling, Va	C#maj13 Later, Ray P.S. You'll find the chord list in the manual and in BIAB help. in reading your post again it's unclear whether you want a C# or a C chord with a maj 7th. If it's a C chord with major 7th and a 13th then write it Cmaj13 Last edited by raymb1; 04/22/11 04:54 PM. Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? Bob_B #112402 04/22/11 03:45 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,971 Wauconda	Quote: I guess I will always be challenged by chord notation in BIAB, so please bear with me. I am trying to notate C#maj7 (add 13) in a song in the key C. I thought I could type "C#maj7/13" and get what I wanted, but BIAB converted it to Ebmaj7. First, am I correct in how to enter the add 13 chord? Second, is there a global switch in opts to turn off BIAB's conversion of chords? I have looked and haven't found an answer to the second question. Thank you. Bob aka jazzwombat I assume you are trying to enter a "C#Maj13" (C#, G#, E#, C and A#) which is how BIAB would intrepret a C#maj7 (add 13). Does that sound right?? Or, what Ray said above... Last edited by jazzmandan; 04/22/11 03:46 PM. Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? DrDan #112403 04/23/11 06:01 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA Bob_B OP Journeyman
OP Bob_B Journeyman Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA	Thanks. As may be all too evident, I am not very knowledgeable with chords, so I assumed C#maj7 (add 13) was somehow different from C#maj13. I've learned something new once again. Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/BobBelas

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? Bob_B #112404 04/23/11 10:28 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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SmoothJohn Enthusiast S Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 84 Edmonton, Canada	Are you trying to avoid 9 and 11? Because c#maj13 should give you maj7, 9, 11 and 13. John

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? SmoothJohn #112405 04/23/11 10:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,576 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	SmoothJohn is correct; technically there is a difference. For BIAB, though, you must use the maj13 construction since the "add 13" is not supported. BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? SmoothJohn #112406 04/23/11 11:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,971 Wauconda	Quote: Are you trying to avoid 9 and 11? Because c#maj13 should give you maj7, 9, 11 and 13. John Yes, if you tell BIAB to play a CMaj13, the selected style will determine how the chord is actually voiced and you will likely get any and all of those notes. I just checked with a JazBallad style and confirmed in the first bar over a Cmaj13 the piano plays Root, 5, 7, 9 with the right hand, and the 3 and 13 with the left hand. Upon regenration I suppose it would all change again. To a newbee this is always confusing when working with BIAB - but is actually the magic of the program at the same time. Retired to Make Music - No Plan B My SoundCloud Preview My Current Project .

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? SmoothJohn #112407 04/24/11 06:42 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA Bob_B OP Journeyman
OP Bob_B Journeyman Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA	Simple answer: I don't know. I was developing a backing track for Jobim's "If you never come to me" and the chart I was given had "C#maj7 (add 13)" at bar 2. For the back track I suppose it really doesn't matter, but for my solos over that chord it could, if "add 13" means not using the 9 and 11th of C#maj. Your thoughts? Bob aka jazzwombat Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/BobBelas

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? Bob_B #112408 04/24/11 07:06 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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raymb1 Veteran Joined: May 2005 Posts: 2,610 Sterling, Va	Are you doing the song in the key of"D"? If so, the second chord is C#maj7. The melody is the 13th or 6th. At least according to the lead sheet I have. In soloing I think most players would be thinking of the C#maj7 and not worry about the 13th. My thoughts, Ray Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? raymb1 #112409 04/24/11 07:22 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	For that particular instance, you likely would do best to simply have BiaB play the C#maj7 chord. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? Mac #112410 04/24/11 01:13 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA Bob_B OP Journeyman
OP Bob_B Journeyman Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 457 Catonsville, Maryland, USA	I like simple: I'll stick with C#maj7. Thanks everyone. jazzwombat aka Bob Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/BobBelas

Re: C#maj7 (add 13) notation? Bob_B #112411 02/19/13 08:53 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1 Málaga, Spain Miguel González Newbie
Miguel González Newbie Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1 Málaga, Spain	Hi. I see this thread is way too old, but I think I have the solution: B♭m9/C♯ is an enharmonic of C♯maj7add13, that is, it has the same notes but with a different chord name. C♯maj7add13 can also be considered as C♯maj7add6. The same way, C♯add13 is equivalent to C#6 and also to B♭m7/C♯. The reason why we use to consider thirteenth instead of sixth or eleventh instead of fourth or ninth instead of second is that they have a whole octave in between, and thus the dissonance caused by the strange note (in our case, the sixth over the major seventh) is less. Regards.

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